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  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    Yeah need to see config for instanace under Outputs Fan. Water and Fuel Pump the Pump Off after Inactivity needs to have a value of 0.5 s or more could be you set it to 0

    Who was the ecu bought from and did they supply a default map?

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    • euro_urs4
      S2Forum Addict
      • Nov 2008
      • 267
      • Home: Poland Current: United States

      #17
      Originally posted by Jamo
      Yeah need to see config for instanace under Outputs Fan. Water and Fuel Pump the Pump Off after Inactivity needs to have a value of 0.5 s or more could be you set it to 0

      Who was the ecu bought from and did they supply a default map?
      the default map was from marc swanson from efi express, i will go and save the map for you now and upload it in a few

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #18
        Originally posted by euro_urs4
        the stock ecu is in my buddies running car, (when i installed the vems unit i had to swap over a wire and add an adapting wire and so forth to match up with the ecu from efi express, could that cause the stock ecu not to turn on the fuel pump?)
        If you tell me which pin you swapped, I can tell you if it is possible or not.
        You should have pulled codes from that ECU...

        And for once I agree with Billman. Post your VEMS config, perhaps some simple parameter is wrong.
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        • euro_urs4
          S2Forum Addict
          • Nov 2008
          • 267
          • Home: Poland Current: United States

          #19
          having trouble finding out how to post the config, its not the log file after i crank the motor over for a little is it? (could you explain some more how to download a config to send to you guys)

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          • euro_urs4
            S2Forum Addict
            • Nov 2008
            • 267
            • Home: Poland Current: United States

            #20
            Originally posted by prj
            If you tell me which pin you swapped, I can tell you if it is possible or not.
            You should have pulled codes from that ECU...

            And for once I agree with Billman. Post your VEMS config, perhaps some simple parameter is wrong.
            also i didnt swap any pins i bought the adapter that does it already for you, however in the manual it states which to swap if needed i can get that

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            • Billman
              S2Forum Freak
              • Nov 2004
              • 4129

              #21
              1. In Vemstune go to File->save config (while your laptop is connected to VEMS and the key is ON)
              2. the pick up sensors on the flywheel must have a certain distance from the flywheel pin. Did you checked that out?
              3. What flywheel did you use (some have reported that on the 7A flywheel the pin for crankshaft positioning is too thin thus causing problems.
              4. Check that your Hall sensor is OK and works.
              Go Holset or Go RS4

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              • Jamo
                Retired OG Mod
                • Mar 2004
                • 21750
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                If you bought the ecu from Marc he supplies an adapter to put on the sensors so you don't have to pin swap personally I would speak to a4kquattro first before asking forum help

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  Just seen earlier post undo the pin swap and use the adapter only

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                  • euro_urs4
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 267
                    • Home: Poland Current: United States

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Billman
                    1. In Vemstune go to File->save config (while your laptop is connected to VEMS and the key is ON)
                    2. the pick up sensors on the flywheel must have a certain distance from the flywheel pin. Did you checked that out?
                    3. What flywheel did you use (some have reported that on the 7A flywheel the pin for crankshaft positioning is too thin thus causing problems.
                    4. Check that your Hall sensor is OK and works.
                    Ok i will get the configuration later tonight for you guys, and I'm using an aluminum flywheel from 034 worked fine previously

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                    • Billman
                      S2Forum Freak
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 4129

                      #25
                      did it worked fine on VEMS? Vems is more sensitive to poor sensor signal than Motronic.

                      for VEMS you need something big

                      Last edited by Billman; 13 September 2011, 17:02.
                      Go Holset or Go RS4

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                      • euro_urs4
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 267
                        • Home: Poland Current: United States

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Billman
                        did it worked fine on VEMS? Vems is more sensitive to poor sensor signal than Motronic.

                        for VEMS you need something big

                        http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpos...13&postcount=6
                        previously i ran the car on motronic, never with vems and worked fine with the aluminum flywheel, and the small pin attached to the back of it, (are you suggesting its not big enough for vems to recognize it )

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                        • Billman
                          S2Forum Freak
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 4129

                          #27
                          apparently there where issues with small pins. I welded a bigger one on my 7A flywheel.
                          Go Holset or Go RS4

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                          • euro_urs4
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 267
                            • Home: Poland Current: United States

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Billman
                            apparently there where issues with small pins. I welded a bigger one on my 7A flywheel.
                            hmm ill have to look into that and talk with marc about this

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                            • UrS4boy
                              S2Forum Obsessed
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 11859
                              • Country: Canada

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Billman
                              apparently there where issues with small pins. I welded a bigger one on my 7A flywheel.
                              *DING*

                              No more calls folks, we have our winner.

                              Typically, this is the first mention of euroUrS4 having a non-stock flywheel and therefore a non-stock G4 crank sensor pin. (always good to fully disclose ALL mods before calling for help - he didn't even tell us he was running VEMS until sometime after the initial post).

                              The VEMS is very likely not getting a proper reading from the crank position sensor because the aftermarket flywheel pin is too small or too far away to generate the required signal. So I agree with Billman.

                              Here is some OE G4 Crank Position Pin info:

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                              Specific OE distance measurements (for OE pin):

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                              • euro_urs4
                                S2Forum Addict
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 267
                                • Home: Poland Current: United States

                                #30
                                Originally posted by UrS4boy
                                *DING*

                                No more calls folks, we have our winner.

                                Typically, this is the first mention of euroUrS4 having a non-stock flywheel and therefore a non-stock G4 crank sensor pin. (always good to fully disclose ALL mods before calling for help - he didn't even tell us he was running VEMS until sometime after the initial post).

                                The VEMS is very likely not getting a proper reading from the crank position sensor because the aftermarket flywheel pin is too small or too far away to generate the required signal. So I agree with Billman.

                                Here is some OE G4 Crank Position Pin info:

                                The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                                Specific OE distance measurements (for OE pin):





                                My apologizes for not mentioning all the mods completely forgot about that, however i's that a def prob or a possibility? And i's it possible to get anoter crank position sensor? That will work with the aluminum flywheel or does a new pin have to be welded i'n it's place?

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