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  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Uh Oh...

    Got a bit of a nasty grinding noise... not too loud but can be heard best from the front footwell so is at the rear of the engine / front of the gearbox. Either flywheel centre bearing or something a little more serious and engine related. Was hoping it's just the clutch overheating a tad but I can't help but fear it's a bit more serious as the noise is still there after leaving it to cool. Bit gutted today what with needing a new cat too
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss
  • K Simmonds
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Dec 2007
    • 7627
    • Country: Wales

    #2
    Clutch release baring? Though very hard to say without hearing it.
    1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
    1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
    1994 MTM RS2.
    1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
    2000 B5 TQS.

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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Doesn't change when the clutch is depressed or not. The bearing is fairly new, if that matters.

      No tapping noise, just grinding / whirring. Oil pressure is normal. There are no particles on the dip stick but I'm going to drop the oil and check. You.can't hear the noise from the engine bay, only the footwell.

      I'm in Cardiff a week Monday, pop down and have a listen if you like
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • K Simmonds
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Dec 2007
        • 7627
        • Country: Wales

        #4
        Hmmm,

        Oh dear, that sounds more like the input shaft baring.
        1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
        1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
        1994 MTM RS2.
        1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
        2000 B5 TQS.

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        • Rusty
          Super Moderator
          • Jun 2004
          • 18953
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          The one on the flywheel? That is my prime candidate too

          If it is that one then it's a pain but not as bad as a main bearing. Will need to get it on a ramp and see what's what... Boo hoo I was just starting to enjoy RS2 spec too.
          Cheers'en, AndyC
          1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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          • K Simmonds
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Dec 2007
            • 7627
            • Country: Wales

            #6
            Yeah, the one in the flywheel. The ones in the box would probably be silent when stationary.
            1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
            1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
            1994 MTM RS2.
            1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
            2000 B5 TQS.

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            • Error404
              Super Moderator
              • Mar 2007
              • 19789
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Originally posted by K Simmonds
              input shaft baring.
              That'd be my first guess too
              Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
              Indigo ABY coupé
              Imola B6 S4 Avant

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              • Rusty
                Super Moderator
                • Jun 2004
                • 18953
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Bet it went in dry and has gradually worn over the last 4 years... I didn't fit the box on so don't know.

                Still engine or gearbox out and that means clutch & fw as well as rods, mains, rings etc. etc. Oh, and that Basset Down touch. Last time I checked, that was a couple of grand.
                Cheers'en, AndyC
                1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                • Error404
                  Super Moderator
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 19789
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  or spend a day taking the box off / engine out and spend £25 on a new bearing
                  Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                  Indigo ABY coupé
                  Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                  • Rusty
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 18953
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Yeah, it's a heck of a job...
                    Cheers'en, AndyC
                    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                    • SteveH
                      Super Moderator
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 4460
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rusty
                      Yeah, it's a heck of a job...
                      It's not too bad to do, especially if you have a few mates who can help. I've done it by myself twice in one day because the clutchnet pressure plate I received was the wrong part
                      91 Modded 3B
                      14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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                      • Rusty
                        Super Moderator
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 18953
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        That's dedication for sure...

                        Need to think about this as I want to make sure I do enough to make it a necessary exercise but not too expensive. Shame the clutch needs uprating, as a 3B clutch with RS2+ power. Could get a lighter flywheel on there too but don't want to get the bottom end balanced at the moment

                        I think the minimum is going to be a new bearing and a darned good inspection of the clutch. Will look into engine mounts and I want to rebuild the front subframe with some new bits too.

                        Steve, do you have an engine crane?
                        Cheers'en, AndyC
                        1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                        • mcandmar
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 5118
                          • Country: Ireland

                          #13
                          If it makes the noise with the clutch out its not the flywheel bearing. Sounds like clutch release bearing or gearbox input shaft bearing to me.
                          91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
                          93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
                          94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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                          • driftin jo
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 2222
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Originally posted by mcandmar
                            If it makes the noise with the clutch out its not the flywheel bearing. Sounds like clutch release bearing or gearbox input shaft bearing to me.


                            With the clutch out the shaft and bearing are rotating as one, i.e. the bearings inner and outer race are moving together, thus the would be no noise from the bearing in this situation.
                            The bearing would make a noise if you were in gear (holding the input shaft still) with your foot on the clutch (rotating the flywheel/bearing about the shaft).

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                            • Rusty
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 18953
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              No noise today extended emissions test at 3k rpm must have over heated it. Will keep my ears peeled and plan some serious work in the future.
                              Cheers'en, AndyC
                              1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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