GTX 3071 .63 v KKK26/27 # 6

[Error404]

don't forget the chassis is far far stiffer in the B5 platform also

The B4 and later multi-link set-up is unquestionably better.


EDIT: The point which maybe Rocco is trying to say is that just because a car has McStruts doesn't mean it cannot be a good handling car, think of some of the best drivers cars ever, things like the Delta Integrale, Clio Williams, 205gti are all very primitive suspension setups but they are light and stiff and they do make the car very good fun to drive

anyway we have all deviated a long way from David's thread topic

[Rocco]

If you have this attitude that everyone except you is stupid, then it's kind of pointless to discuss an argument, now is it?
Avant S2 has better rear suspension and better weight distribution, it is actually a better car balance wise from factory.

Your argument of "if I spend 6000 EUR on suspension, maybe I get close to stock RS4 handling" is kinda pointless....
For 6000 EUR you can get a westfield, which will wipe the floor with both the RS4 and the S2 on the track.


And Avantus, I don't know maybe it is the complete package about the RS4, but I've been in quite a few RS2's and RS4's and IMO the RS4 is just much better handling wise.
Of course what is even better is a B7 RS4. Another league entirely.

I believe that I didn't name stupid to none.
I told you 1000000 of times that I can understand that b4 platform has better rear suspensión,but this is not what I asked you...I only said that WHY the people who wants to be competitive uses and prefers coupes over avants.the coupes must have something hidden then,that makes them fasters than avants.I don't mind if the rear suspension is worse when for some reason are better for rallying and tracks.

Again,you can continue answering that the avants has better weight distribution bla bla bla....


Also as I said the coupe has better handling than avants,thats is my experience and we are not new with those cars.


You don't need to spend 6000 to have a good ride,kw suspensión,powerflex,rs2 arbs and you will have a funny coupe to drive..


Would you bet your car in a track against mine,?

[prj]

I believe that I didn't name stupid to none.
I told you 1000000 of times that I can understand that b4 platform has better rear suspensión,but this is not what I asked you...I only said that WHY the people who wants to be competitive uses and prefers coupes over avants.

You just assume this randomly.
If you want to go on a track, you don't take a S2, you take a track car.

Again,you can continue answering that the avants has better weight distribution bla bla bla....

So you don't care what anyone says. Your mind is made up and you are just trolling.
Good we cleared that up then, I won't bother to take you seriously anymore

[Rocco]

You just assume this randomly.
If you want to go on a track, you don't take a S2, you take a track car.



So you don't care what anyone says. Your mind is made up and you are just trolling.
Good we cleared that up then, I won't bother to take you seriously anymore

yeah,better or worse, the most of people who has tried S2 coupe or avants says tha of course the coupe has much better feeling when you need to "drive" at least the people who i know and are avant owners ...


excuse us for the off topics Mcspring

[macspring]

No worries re the topic creep.

At this rate to get the car back into service qucikly, I'm going to source a RS2 hybrid, or a GT2871 hybrid for an easy match my kkk Wagner exhaust manifold, oil and water lines, and RS2 airbox.

Going for early spool over max power.

Going to talk to Owen Developments and Hoffer for the turbo and injectors, and obtain a temperary chip from Prj.

At least that's what I think I'm gonna do tomorrow.

[macspring]

Does anyone have an e-mail address or phone number for Hoffer ? A pm to me would be the most appropriate.

Or if someone can ask him to pm me ?

Thanks.

[20Vcqdriver]

No worries re the topic creep.

At this rate to get the car back into service qucikly, I'm going to source a RS2 hybrid, or a GT2871 hybrid for an easy match my kkk Wagner exhaust manifold, oil and water lines, and RS2 airbox.

Going for early spool over max power.

Going to talk to Owen Developments and Hoffer for the turbo and injectors, and obtain a temperary chip from Prj.

At least that's what I think I'm gonna do tomorrow.

Out of interest what's the max torque from a GT2871 and max torque from a K24 7200 RS2 turbo and at what rpm? Might help me to make my mind up too

[prj]

You can get 650nm out of either.

But it's completely pointless and will be hard on the drivetrain.

Full boost RPM depends on car weight. On a UrQ you will see significantly later spoolup due to the light weight.

[macspring]

Update to this thread,

Bought a GTX3071 .82 to go on a Wagner T3 flanged RS2' ed exhaust manifold.

Using a 3" down pipe, with an oem standard RS2 exhaust system with no cats.

Need to buy 750cc injectors, and a map from Prj.

Also going to use a RS4 MAF.

Any comments either way.

Anyone got something similar ?

Thanks.

[javispa]

Nice combo. You can get over 500 hp with that and also a very quick response, with spool almost as good as with a RS2 turbo.
Cheers.

[SteveH]

Update to this thread,

Bought a GTX3071 .82 to go on a Wagner T3 flanged RS2' ed exhaust manifold.

Using a 3" down pipe, with an oem standard RS2 exhaust system with no cats.

Need to buy 750cc injectors, and a map from Prj.

Also going to use a RS4 MAF.

Any comments either way.

Anyone got something similar ?

Thanks.

You might want to consider going 3" all the way to get the most out of your setup. I guess you've already got an 044 in the tank? I'm sure you will be happy with the results.

[A80Avant]

Update to this thread,

Bought a GTX3071 .82 to go on a Wagner T3 flanged RS2' ed exhaust manifold.

Using a 3" down pipe, with an oem standard RS2 exhaust system with no cats.

Need to buy 750cc injectors, and a map from Prj.

Also going to use a RS4 MAF.

Any comments either way.

Anyone got something similar ?

Thanks.

Good luck!

[Rocco]

Yeah! Good luck and wait sitting to Prj!

[macspring]

Yes 044 pump already inside tank.

Currently has a three inch system fitted, but with only two small boxes, it is a bit too loud, so going to try the two oem 2.75" RS2 boxes, starting from the handbrake back.

Relieved to see the positive comments. But like everything, the proof will be in the pudding.

If anyone has any other feedback, please share.

Will update the thread in due course, but given how long this car has taken so far, it may be a while, but hopefully it can be done sooner.

May need to re-fit the auxiliary radiator as the fan cuts in very regular in traffic, more than it used to with the rad fitted. Doesn't overheat, but does cut in a fair bit.

Also going to change back from 034 street mounts, to oem engine and gearbox mounts, as the car was too harsh inside, (for me), particularly with the three inch exhaust. May do the exhaust first and then see what it is like.

One of the engine mounts is listed as NLA, anyone had that, or did they source "oem" ones from guy in the "Netherlands that does the brakes bombs amongst other things". Can't think of his name or find his link right now.

Again will post what the changes are once the mounts and the exhaust are done.

[popdemonic]

I have GT2871 A/R .63 on AAN.It spools up almost the same as stock K24 with the more top-end.I drive my car in the almost highest traffic city in the world(Bangkok).Anyway,It's time to rebuild my AAN.I think your setup is most likely the same as mine.
GT2871 A/R .63
Wagner RS2 'EM KKK flange.
044 Bosch FP.
440CC injectors(soon to be upgraded some bigger since it's now maxed out with E85)
3" Exhaust from DP to last muffler.
VEMS Standalone.

Good thread though,