How does this happen? (valves)

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  • Gavin A
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    • Nov 2012
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    #1

    How does this happen? (valves)

    OK, valves hit pistons, all good.
    Bent 2 - bit weird..



    Even weirder that its 1 in no 2 and one in no 4!
    why not both inlets in each chamber?
    The both open together and the piston is flat...
    anyone had this?

  • stocious
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    • Jul 2012
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    #2
    possibly to do with valve spring weakness.. had you had any valve change pout before, stem lenght maybe be different betwwen valve's and the hydraulic follower compensated, or are they mechanical ? im interested
    1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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    • Ian Simmonds
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      • Jun 2005
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      #3
      Because when the weaker valve bends it relieves pressure on the other valve, and the firing order is 1,2,4,5,3... So the next cylinder to suffer from the 'error' is the next in the firing order...
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      • Gavin A
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        #4
        Standard ABY, hydraulic, as far as i know - never been apart.

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        • Gavin A
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          #5
          OK Ian, but as the piston is bending one, how does it not bend the other? have you seen this before? im thinking to change the others too.

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          • stocious
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            • Jul 2012
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            #6
            misread post sorry
            1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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            • stocious
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              • Jul 2012
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              #7
              Originally posted by Ian Simmonds
              Because when the weaker valve bends it relieves pressure on the other valve, and the firing order is 1,2,4,5,3... So the next cylinder to suffer from the 'error' is the next in the firing order...
              ok. i want to understand what you posted. how did only 1 valve hit the piston if both open same time and at same rate, closing rate could be different, i just cant figure out what you mean, even if 2 valves hit and 1 bent the force on the other would increase would it not ? im in no way denying what your saying, just want to learn
              1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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              • chezz
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                • Apr 2007
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                #8
                Crank pulley failure?

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                • driftin jo
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                  • Sep 2007
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by stocious
                  possibly to do with valve spring weakness.. had you had any valve change pout before, stem lenght maybe be different betwwen valve's and the hydraulic follower compensated, or are they mechanical ? im interested


                  One Hydraulic lifter empties easier than the other or has
                  some air in it, an empty one gives ~3mm more valve clearance.

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                  • Ian Simmonds
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                    • Jun 2005
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gavin A
                    OK Ian, but as the piston is bending one, how does it not bend the other? have you seen this before? im thinking to change the others too.
                    it all depends on the forces at the point of failure, if its pre-ignition enduced failure then as the piston is rising in the bore the early entry or early ignition of the fuel will force the piston down and the valves closed prematurely, bending the valve... If its through cambelt failure or similar, everythibg just gets mullered. My guess is the timing/boost/pre-ignition has occurred and uncontrolled, bending the weaker intake valve to relieve the pressure... I'd change all of the intake valves, and check the stronger exhausts for weakness..
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                    • stocious
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                      • Jul 2012
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by driftin jo


                      One Hydraulic lifter empties easier than the other or has
                      some air in it, an empty one gives ~3mm more valve clearance.
                      thank you i nearly fell over thinking so hard, or that it had seats pressed in incorectly.
                      1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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                      • chezz
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                        • Apr 2007
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                        #12
                        Either the camshaft keyway has failed or the crankshaft keyway has failed...one or the other,

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                        • Ian Simmonds
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                          #13
                          Just re-read whole thread, first line says valve hits piston....

                          Sorry, going at it from a purely 'bent valve' perspective...
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                          • stocious
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                            • Jul 2012
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by chezz
                            Either the camshaft keyway has failed or the crankshaft keyway has failed...one or the other,
                            making 1 valve on 2 different cylinders act outa time? more than the rest ?
                            1991 S2 3B Coupe, KW v1, solid sub frames, poly bushed, chipped, about 260 ish

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                            • chezz
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                              • Apr 2007
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                              #15
                              yes!

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