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  • oilman
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jan 2006
    • 996
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Cold Weather Gear Changes

    Hi all,

    Around this time of year we get quite a few questions about experiencing difficult gearshifts in cold weather, so we thought you might find this useful.
    Using the incorrect viscosity gear oil in your car can make gear changes very difficult when the gearbox, and oil are cold. This is why we often don't recommend using thicker gear oils than the manufacturer specifies. It is easy to think that increasing the viscosity from a 75w-80 to 75w-90 or 75w-90 to 75w-140 isn't going to affect the cold properties of the oil, but it does.
    Below are some figures showing the viscosity of a selection of oils at 40C measured in mm²/s ( 1 millimeter²/second = 1 centistoke, A centistoke is a decimal fraction of the CGS unit of kinematic viscosity stokes, which is equal to centimeter per second (cm²/s). 1 stokes is a kinematic viscosity of a fluid with a density of 1 g/cm³ and a dynamic viscosity of 1 poise… In short the thickness of oil!). 40degc may not seem cold but this is the temperature at which the viscosity is measured and is the information you will find on the oil technical data sheets.
    I have listed specific brands and products to make it easier to see the differences in viscosity.
    Fuchs Sintofluid FE 75w = 40.8 @ 40°c
    Fuchs Sintofluid 75w-80 = 49.8 @ 40°c
    Fuchs Sintopoid 75w-90 = 90.5 @ 40°c
    Fuchs Sintopoid LS 75w140 = 170 @ 40°c

    As you can see from that, they are all 75w oils, but there is a large difference in the viscosity at lower temps; the Sintopoid 75w-90 is over twice as thick as the Sintofluid FE 75w when cold and the 75w-140 is almost twice as thick as the 75w-90.*

    So, if you've got a car that needs one grade of oil as standard, but you've modified it and decide to try a thicker oil, or someone puts the wrong oil in, it might really affect the cold gear shifts. Usually, increasing the quality is a better option than increasing the viscosity when thinking about upgrading from standard fluid.

    Also, viscosity ratings are not exact points, but are a band that the viscosity should fall in. The Motul Gear 300 75w-90 has a viscosity of 76.2mm²/s at 40°c and the Castrol Universal 75w-90 is 84.8mm²/s, so you can see there is some variation in oils that appear to be the same viscosity.

    A lot of gearboxes specify an 80w-90 rather than a 75w-90, but I would always tend to go for a 75w-90 instead as there can be a large difference is the viscosity when cold. The Motul Gearbox 80w-90 is 164mm²/s, so over twice as thick as their Gear 300 when cold. If you're using an 80w-90 and are having stiff cold gear changes, changing to a 75w-90 is likely to improve things.

    If you have any questions or need further advice please post here or email us at sales@opieoils.co.uk

    Cheers
    Tim.
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  • mcandmar
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    • Apr 2004
    • 5118
    • Country: Ireland

    #2
    Hi Opie,

    Out of interest how does the "Fuchs TITAN GEAR SYN 75W-90 Semi Synthetic" compare?

    Is the "Sintopoid 75w-90" still the recommended oil to use in the 01E boxs?

    Cheers,

    Mark
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    • Thuppu
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      • Sep 2010
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      • Country: Finland

      #3
      Great writeup!

      Tim, any thougts about Midland oils? Especially Synqron 75W-90 GL-4/5 gearoil?

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      • 4WheelDrifter
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        • Oct 2004
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        • Country: Devon

        #4
        I have been wondering what viscosity gearbox oil to use with an 01E with an oil cooler. 75w?
        I have a temperature gauge to monitor oil temperature. What sort of temperature ranges are gearbox oils designed to run at?


        A couple of my cars' gearboxes don't shift very well from cold. I just have to double de-clutch for a couple of miles. They both shift fine when warm.
        SS

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        • oilman
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Jan 2006
          • 996
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by mcandmar
          Hi Opie,

          Out of interest how does the "Fuchs TITAN GEAR SYN 75W-90 Semi Synthetic" compare?

          Is the "Sintopoid 75w-90" still the recommended oil to use in the 01E boxs?

          Cheers,

          Mark

          Hi Mark

          The Gear Syn is 95cst at 40C and 16.2cst at 100C.

          The Sintopoid 75w-90 is suitable for a S2, although it probably wouldn't be my first chocie. I'd probably go for the Motul Gear 300 or Redline MT90.

          Cheers

          Tim
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          • oilman
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            • Jan 2006
            • 996
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Originally posted by Thuppu
            Great writeup!

            Tim, any thougts about Midland oils? Especially Synqron 75W-90 GL-4/5 gearoil?
            Hi

            I've not had any dealings with them so would rather not comment.

            Cheers

            Tim
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            • oilman
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              • Jan 2006
              • 996
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
              I have been wondering what viscosity gearbox oil to use with an 01E with an oil cooler. 75w?
              I have a temperature gauge to monitor oil temperature. What sort of temperature ranges are gearbox oils designed to run at?


              A couple of my cars' gearboxes don't shift very well from cold. I just have to double de-clutch for a couple of miles. They both shift fine when warm.
              Any idea what oil is in there at the moment?

              Cheers

              Tim
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              • 4WheelDrifter
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                • Oct 2004
                • 5773
                • Country: Devon

                #8
                I have always stuck with OEM until now. One of the cars with a poor cold shift has always been like it, and I have never considered it to be a problem.
                SS

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                • oilman
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                  • Jan 2006
                  • 996
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  It might be worth trying something like the Motul Gear 300 as it's thin when cold for a 75w-90.

                  Cheers

                  Tim
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