7a cams-intake retard!?

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  • ADP
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    • Mar 2011
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    #1

    7a cams-intake retard!?

    Hello fellas,aim think to fit my 7a cams,but they have a lot overlap!So according by me i must to retard the intake with 1 theet on cams chain!?What is your oppinion and practise advice?
    many thanks in advance!
  • GazzaG60
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    • Mar 2007
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    #2
    sounds a lot 3 teeth.

    id run stock cams unless you are gt35 or above.

    I run the 7a ex cam. helps up top a bit. not as punchy down

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    • ADP
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      #3
      GT 3788 R is the turbocharger

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      • jsws3
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        • Apr 2012
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        #4
        Get I touch with jonus-racing in Norway he has 5 different sets of cams for power levels of 400hp to 1300hp

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        • Thuppu
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          • Sep 2010
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          #5
          I use 7A cams with stock clocks, works nice. I havn't measured them, but there shouldn't be much overlap. Tried to retard both ex and in by two degrees on dyno and got 46 hp less power in top end.

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          • ADP
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            #6
            Thanks for replys guys,when i plot the cams degrees of adu and 7a i think that i beter way to retard inlet cam only!For this reason i wish to ask someone who have any practical expirience with this setup!
            Thupu my opinion is not to retard both cams ,the problem with overlap will come worse!
            But this I cant prove with dynografs, still don’t have a dyno in my garage!:))

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            • Thuppu
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              • Sep 2010
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              #7
              So you wan't earlier spool and torque? Hmm, I'm not 100% sure but in my setup the cams clocked to factory markings did sure look like there was close to zero overlap. How much overlap have you measured? 1 teeth is quite much, you would need a adjustable cam sprocket so you can mix more accurate.

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              • prj
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                • Mar 2010
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                #8
                There is no overlap on 7A cams on stock marks!
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                • A1QSHIP
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                  • Aug 2004
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                  #9
                  Here is an interesting read about camshafts & cam timing.

                  HTH, Chris
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                  • JP
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Mar 2007
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                    #10
                    Advance intake using a adjustable wheel if you want to increase lobe seperation
                    UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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                    • JP
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                      • Mar 2007
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                      #11
                      Forgot to say 1 tooth is way too much
                      UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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                      • ADP
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                        #12
                        prj is quiet precised and maybe right-im not make mesuring with the AAN cams wheel,i make with original 7A wheel,soon i will make measurment with both to investigate what is the diferents!

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                        • ADP
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                          #13
                          after measurments OVERLAP exist-9 degr!

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                          • prj
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                            • Mar 2010
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ADP
                            after measurments OVERLAP exist-9 degr!
                            7A intake:
                            Opens: 6 Degrees ATDC
                            Closes: 38 Degrees ABDC
                            Duration: 212 degrees

                            7A exhaust:
                            Opens: 42 Degrees BBDC
                            Closes: 3 Degrees BTDC
                            Duration: 219 degrees

                            So where is the overlap?
                            Exhaust is long closed (3 deg BTDC) when intake opens (6 deg ATDC).
                            9 degrees is the time when both the intake and exhaust valves are closed (theoretically speaking, not accounting for the fact that the valve is on a spring and not instant).

                            From another perspective - 7A cams always make more top-end power than stock cams. If there was overlap, then top-end power would drop off, due to backpressure on smaller exhaust housings.

                            If you are really measuring something, then your camshafts are not timed correctly.
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                            • JariP
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                              • Jul 2003
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                              #15
                              PRJ's degree numbers are for 1mm lift at the valve and ADP has measured seat to seat timing, hence the difference?

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