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  • quattro-nick
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2012
    • 1746
    • Country: Belgium

    #1

    condensation in crankcase ventilation

    hi guys
    i use a mann provent 200 for crankcase ventilation and it works realy great
    there is in the catchcan no oil,only candensation but i think this is normal
    but my question is,there is on the underside of the catchcan a draintube which i connected to my sump so when i have a lot condensation it goes to the sump in the engine oil
    on the other side,there will also be condensation with a normal crankcase ventilation so shall l leave it this way or should I better block the drainpipe

    thanks
    nick
    audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
    TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
    AEM W/M injection
  • K Simmonds
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Dec 2007
    • 7627
    • Country: Wales

    #2
    Personally I don't like condensation going back into the oil so I don't have a return to sump with my catch tank set up, I simply empty it every 2 tanks of fuel. That said most folk on here who run catch tanks do return it to the sump so it can't do any real harm.
    1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
    1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
    1994 MTM RS2.
    1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
    2000 B5 TQS.

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    • quattro-nick
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Sep 2012
      • 1746
      • Country: Belgium

      #3
      the problem is that I usually drive many short distance because this is a hobbycar so more condensation but with this high power engine i replace my oil every 5000 km so i think the condensation will not be a problem
      audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
      TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
      AEM W/M injection

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      • AndyP
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Feb 2004
        • 6049
        • Country: England

        #4
        Having seen what comes out of my catch can, I'm glad I have it, I'd not want it going back into the engine.

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        1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
        1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
        1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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        • quattro-nick
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Sep 2012
          • 1746
          • Country: Belgium

          #5
          from how long driving is this?
          audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
          TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
          AEM W/M injection

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          • AndyP
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Feb 2004
            • 6049
            • Country: England

            #6
            Te picture is quite old, but I'd guess at 6months and around 3-4000miles.

            I don't have to empty the catch can very often, but what does come out looks nasty!!
            sigpic
            1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
            1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
            1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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            • popdemonic
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Dec 2007
              • 1304
              • Country: Thailand

              #7
              Provent 200 didn't work well on my old and new AAN engine atleast on my car.
              one of a few I5 from Asia.

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              • quattro-nick
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Sep 2012
                • 1746
                • Country: Belgium

                #8
                works well for me,total no oil in catchcan and inlet
                audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                AEM W/M injection

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                • K Simmonds
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 7627
                  • Country: Wales

                  #9
                  Originally posted by AndyP
                  Having seen what comes out of my catch can, I'm glad I have it, I'd not want it going back into the engine.

                  That's what mine looks like as well, as you say I rather not have it returned too the sump.
                  1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                  1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                  1994 MTM RS2.
                  1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                  2000 B5 TQS.

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                  • Thuppu
                    S2Forum Freak
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 4115
                    • Country: Finland

                    #10
                    Thats just oil/water suryp. If returned to sump, the water will evaporate when oil is hot enough.

                    Audi UrS4 Avant 2.5 20vt - twincharged - Project
                    Audi 80q B4 Sedan 2.2 20vt - Daily user
                    BMW 320d Touring e91 M-Sport - Daily user
                    BMW 740iA e38 - Project

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                    • Mcstiff
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 504
                      • Country: United States

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Thuppu
                      Thats just oil/water suryp. If returned to sump, the water will evaporate when oil is hot enough.
                      I've debated this on other forums; I'm of the opinion that the catch can simply increases the volume of air in the system and condenses more moisture as a side effect. The non-returning catch can magnifies the "problem" because it collects the condensate from every heat cycle without allowing it to evaporate (by design, the liquid is trapped in the can). This also makes for increased emulsion since the hot crankcase fumes are likely to be cooled by the liquid in the catch can and condense/mix.

                      *My catch can does not return because I did not want to deal with the plumbing
                      Last edited by Mcstiff; 4 May 2014, 18:43.
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                      • quattro-nick
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 1746
                        • Country: Belgium

                        #12
                        okay,i will let my oil return to the sump open
                        audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                        TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                        AEM W/M injection

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                        • popdemonic
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 1304
                          • Country: Thailand

                          #13
                          FYI,i'm running the Provent 200 for years but seems the blow by with oil/moist still vented back to
                          the engine.originally,the provent 200 vents has inlet on the upper chamber and outlet on the lower port.
                          i think by its design caused the separator couldn't catch the extra blow by
                          from the high boost engine.i decided to reverse the input and output and connect the drain port back to sump.
                          so far so good,no more oil vapour gets back into the intake.only downside is the blow by is not filtered before drained back to sump.I will need the swirl pot in the future anyway.i'm currently running 30psi
                          of boost and that might be the causes of extra blow by.FYI.
                          one of a few I5 from Asia.

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