vems duty cycle,max hight?

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  • quattro-nick
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2012
    • 1746
    • Country: Belgium

    #1

    vems duty cycle,max hight?

    yesterday i was tuning vems on the road
    i have a gt3076r and siemens deka 630cc with 3.0bar fuelpressure and 044 bosch pump
    I've noticed that when I drive with full throttle under full boost(2.2bar) at higher rpm my duty cycle on vems go over the 100 % like 108%
    is that bad and does this means that the injector cant follow?
    i have a adjustable fuelpressure regulator so i can set my pressure on 4-5 bar or maybe is the flow of my pump not enough?
    I am afraid that the mixture will be too lean at higher rpm and thats not good for the engine
    or should I completely do not worry?
    Last edited by quattro-nick; 15 June 2014, 11:14.
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  • prj
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Mar 2010
    • 6308
    • Country: Estonia

    #2
    100% is 100%.

    100% means the injector is open 100% of the time. It never closes.
    Any number over 100% means that the injectors can not supply as much fuel as the ECU is requesting.

    Whether that is due to dropping fuel pressure or not enough injector flow is a different question. Need a fuel pressure gauge and some WOT runs.

    If you are getting this much duty cycle in summer, then in winter with colder intake temps you probably will melt your engine.
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    • popdemonic
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Dec 2007
      • 1304
      • Country: Thailand

      #3
      you need 4bar FPR.what fuel you are running?
      if you are running on E85,your injectors are
      maxed out with that level of boost.i have GT2871
      with same injectors on 5bar FPR.Inj DC is somewhere
      like 95% now.
      one of a few I5 from Asia.

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      • A80Avant
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Sep 2005
        • 10873
        • Country: Greece

        #4
        Yes. You need to adjust the for to 4 bar or 3.8 that audi has. That should be plenty for the dekas to cope.

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        • a4kquattro
          S2Forum Addict
          • Feb 2005
          • 411
          • Country: United States

          #5
          as others have mentioned, 100% is bad. it means no more fuel can be injected. We try to target no more than 80% duty cycle when possible when sizing injectors.

          upping your fuel pressure to 4bar will help.
          Marc Swanson
          Proprietor, EFI Express
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          • quattro-nick
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Sep 2012
            • 1746
            • Country: Belgium

            #6
            thanks for reply guy's
            i drive with pumpgas 98' octane
            i will set my fuelpressure on 4 bar but that means also i must completely adapt my ve- table in vems
            tomorrow I go back on the road with 4 bar fuel pressure
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            • A80Avant
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              • Sep 2005
              • 10873
              • Country: Greece

              #7
              Yes unfortunately tou have to do that. Hopefully it may be just adjusting the whole map slightly lower.

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              • prj
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                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #8
                Uhm, just change req. fuel why would you move the entire table?
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                • Rocco
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                  • Aug 2007
                  • 6393
                  • Country: Spain

                  #9
                  Your wife must be very bored those weekends...
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                  • Bowie69
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 2675
                    • Country: England

                    #10
                    Originally posted by prj
                    Uhm, just change req. fuel why would you move the entire table?

                    Exactly

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                    • quattro-nick
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 1746
                      • Country: Belgium

                      #11
                      have not thought about reqfuel, thanks for the hint prj
                      i think it stands now on 3.0 (reqfuel)
                      Tomorrow I will try with 2.8 or so and see what engine and lambda doing on idle
                      Last edited by quattro-nick; 16 June 2014, 10:34.
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                      AEM W/M injection

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                      • jade
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jan 2005
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                        #12
                        3.8 ?
                        RS 2 580HP

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                        • A80Avant
                          S2Forum Obsessed
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 10873
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                          #13
                          ADU original

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                          • jade
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jan 2005
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                            #14
                            Tomorrow I will try with 2.8 or so and see what engine and lambda doing on idle[/QUOTE]

                            I was commenting on this, Thinking he was referring to fuel pressure
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                            • quattro-nick
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 1746
                              • Country: Belgium

                              #15
                              sorry,i mean 2.8 reqfuel
                              i have made a change on post 11
                              audi coupe quattro b2 2.2 20vt project (573hp-626nm)
                              TWINCHARGED power,zero lag
                              AEM W/M injection

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