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  • Majorcina
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jun 2013
    • 1334
    • Country: Montenegro

    #1

    What power to expect?

    Me and some friends have a litle discussion abouth power level on my car
    The car is almost complet stock in engine bay,the things done:
    1. coils upgrade
    2.chips by prj
    3.polished and ported head
    4.3' exhaust from turbo with 1 midle silencer and rear muffler(hope to get it this days

    Can someone tell me what hp on crank can i expect?

    We have different opinions abouth this so i decide to ask experts over here
  • Ruffiano
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2007
    • 1458
    • Home: Italy Current: United States

    #2
    expect 100, be happy when you make more.

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    • UrS4boy
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Feb 2006
      • 11859
      • Country: Canada

      #3
      Originally posted by Majorcina
      Can someone tell me what hp on crank can i expect?
      265 (ish) with the 2.5 Bar MAP sensor

      280 (ish) with the 3.0 Bar MAP sensor

      You don't have enough turbo to take advantage of the ported and polished head or the revised exhaust system.
      RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
      94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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      • Jamo
        Retired OG Mod
        • Mar 2004
        • 21750
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Is the intercooler uprated? if not around 270, the 3" turbo back we've had 3 forum cars make 290+ bhp but that was pushing the k24 to it's limit

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        • Vorsprung durch Technik
          S2Forum Freak
          • Jun 2007
          • 4754
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by Jamo
          Is the intercooler uprated? if not around 270, the 3" turbo back we've had 3 forum cars make 290+ bhp but that was pushing the k24 to it's limit
          I understand the intercooler bit just not the rest about 3" turbo back.The K24 is that standard and when you say "to it's limit" is it still reliable at that limit? Thanks.
          96 URS6 plus speck saloon
          96 URS6 plus speck estate
          94 2.6 80 Avant
          99 2.8 final edition Cabriolet

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          • Majorcina
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Jun 2013
            • 1334
            • Country: Montenegro

            #6
            So is it bether to put 3inch exhaust or IC?

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            • Rusty
              Super Moderator
              • Jun 2004
              • 18953
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Should be 290+ on good fuel... 'should'

              My car was on just a Home fries, Jamo, so nothing special. Think Martin F and Ben went a bit more aggressive.
              Cheers'en, AndyC
              1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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              • Quattronaut
                S2Forum Addict
                • May 2013
                • 273
                • Country: Germany

                #8
                At stock motor 290 hp is not really reliable any more I think.

                There are too many unknown parameters to really say a precise HP number, so folks-let's start the hp-bingo :-)

                I do not think that prj's chips rev out turbo to the max (or does he? Jamo, you know him better...)
                I suppose only with the chips the motor would have ~260-270 hp, but with good porting and a good exhaust maybe overall up to 280-290, without giving to much stress for turbo, cause motor's efficiency should be better.

                IC and exhaust could help both, but not very much- charger is limited.

                What was your and your friend's opinion?

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                • mac2226
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 1289
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  I've got 3" tbe,hks mushroom air filter,roose tip custom ic and a homefry chip I'd say mines close to 300bhp just how well it pulls in gears at midrange. But will defiantly know for sure when it goes on the dyno tomorrow

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                  • UrS4boy
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 11859
                    • Country: Canada

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mac2226
                    I've got 3" tbe,hks mushroom air filter,roose tip custom ic and a homefry chip I'd say mines close to 300bhp just how well it pulls in gears at midrange. But will defiantly know for sure when it goes on the dyno tomorrow
                    And when you report your results, there will be a debate about what is the correct correction factor to go from wheel horsepower (whp) to crank horsepower (chp), yet again.
                    RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                    94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                    • popdemonic
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 1304
                      • Country: Thailand

                      #11
                      Marko,what octane fuel in Montenegro?average temp?any cars in my country put down lower in HP comparable with what's in the paper due to the
                      temp,fuel quality in my country.

                      Left,UrS6 automatic box with 1,9bar WG spring,264HP unknown chips.I have seen some of UrS had this chips from factory.
                      Right,UrS6 automatic box with some custom tuned by anonymous.
                      No wonder why i went from Automatik lol.

                      Last edited by popdemonic; 12 July 2014, 03:17.
                      one of a few I5 from Asia.

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                      • UrS4boy
                        S2Forum Obsessed
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 11859
                        • Country: Canada

                        #12
                        Oops.Double post. The system can be beat.

                        Carry on, nothing to see here.
                        RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                        94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                        • Majorcina
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 1334
                          • Country: Montenegro

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Quattronaut
                          At stock motor 290 hp is not really reliable any more I think.

                          There are too many unknown parameters to really say a precise HP number, so folks-let's start the hp-bingo :-)

                          I do not think that prj's chips rev out turbo to the max (or does he? Jamo, you know him better...)
                          I suppose only with the chips the motor would have ~260-270 hp, but with good porting and a good exhaust maybe overall up to 280-290, without giving to much stress for turbo, cause motor's efficiency should be better.

                          IC and exhaust could help both, but not very much- charger is limited.

                          What was your and your friend's opinion?
                          My friend say it can have no more then 270hp,and my opinion is around 300hp

                          Originally posted by mac2226
                          I've got 3" tbe,hks mushroom air filter,roose tip custom ic and a homefry chip I'd say mines close to 300bhp just how well it pulls in gears at midrange. But will defiantly know for sure when it goes on the dyno tomorrow
                          Please let me know the results Can do in inbox also

                          Originally posted by popdemonic
                          Marko,what octane fuel in Montenegro?average temp?any cars in my country put down lower in HP comparable with what's in the paper due to the
                          temp,fuel quality in my country.

                          Left,UrS6 automatic box with 1,9bar WG spring,264HP unknown chips.I have seen some of UrS had this chips from factory.
                          Right,UrS6 automatic box with some custom tuned by anonymous.
                          No wonder why i went from Automatik lol.

                          Well,i am going to use 100 octane fuel,thats the best we have.In winder is not to much cold(almost never under zero)But on summer,for example last year was up to 42-43celzius

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                          • mac2226
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1289
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Originally posted by UrS4boy
                            And when you report your results, there will be a debate about what is the correct correction factor to go from wheel horsepower (whp) to crank horsepower (chp), yet again.
                            That would be crank hp I'm expecting Urs4boy I think people get confused because of what they read till there car gets dyno but not all dyno read the same so that's another problem haha

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                            • Quattronaut
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • May 2013
                              • 273
                              • Country: Germany

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Majorcina
                              My friend say it can have no more then 270hp,and my opinion is around 300hp
                              That's exactly the range in between your HP will be depending on weather, overall motor condition and head porting quality.

                              If you want to know it more accurate, find someone with complete stock S2 and and a chip tuning that is well known, e.g. MTM, ABT or someone else who has really established the HP numbers he gives, and go for a little hunt. Or compare to a complete stock RS2. Then you have reference points.
                              Last edited by Quattronaut; 12 July 2014, 11:25.

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