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  • HMS-S6
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jan 2010
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    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

    #1

    Correct AFR

    Hi all,

    I've finally dug my S6 out and fitted the wideband I bought for it over two years ago!
    What figure would you typically expect on wot from 3,000 to 5,000 rpm?
  • Jaswan
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Apr 2011
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    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

    #2
    out of curiosity what brand have you/did you go for?

    thanks

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    • UrS4boy
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Feb 2006
      • 11859
      • Country: Canada

      #3
      Originally posted by HMS-S6
      Hi all, I've finally dug my S6 out and fitted the wideband I bought for it over two years ago! What figure would you typically expect on wot from 3,000 to 5,000 rpm?
      Hey there!! Long time no post? Hope things are good.

      As for your question, my off the top answer was going to be an AFR of around 11. Here are some UrS AAN dyno results that back that up:





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      • HMS-S6
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jan 2010
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        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

        #4
        Yeh, mines dipping to 10.8 or so on WOT so obviously not a fuel trim issue it would seem. Still edging for a hiding boost leak maybe!?

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        • twoqu
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Sep 2003
          • 3103

          #5

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          • Rusty
            Super Moderator
            • Jun 2004
            • 18953
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            High 11s low 12s
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            • ineora
              S2Forum Enthusiast
              • Sep 2009
              • 109
              • Country: Sweden

              #7
              Idle

              Is that a correct value on idle too? On a stock non modified Engine?

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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #8
                Depends on the software it's running.

                Stock runs mid 12's on WOT, but there's hardly any boost.
                Most power on these engines is at about lambda 0.8, which is 11.8 in AFR terms.
                Of course on the top of the rev range, it makes sense to go richer for EGT control.

                After about lambda 0.78 or 11.4 AFR you start massively losing power.

                Idle should always be lambda 1, 14.7 for gasoline.
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                • ineora
                  S2Forum Enthusiast
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 109
                  • Country: Sweden

                  #9
                  Right on startup, when the engine is cold, should it still be 14.7?

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                  • EspenW
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 1534
                    • Country: Norway

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ineora
                    Right on startup, when the engine is cold, should it still be 14.7?
                    14.7 when the sensor has warmed up and the ECU reads its signal. This takes a little while.
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                    • Laaf
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                      • Oct 2010
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ineora
                      Right on startup, when the engine is cold, should it still be 14.7?
                      As the ECU is running cold start enrichment then, no.

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                      • HMS-S6
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jan 2010
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                        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                        #12
                        Dmitri, Just refitted the stock ecu to my car and went for a run with the AFR rigged up. As it comes 'on' at around 3000 rpm (1bar) the AFR goes to 13-13.2 as it is hessitating, as it clears at around 4,500-5000 rpm at goes to high 11's-low 12's. Would you say that its lean running causing my issues?

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                        • HMS-S6
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Jan 2010
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                          #13
                          Afr

                          It seems the mapped ECU aggravates the problem even more. At idle the stock ecu gives a figure of 14.5 and the mapped one 16.2!!

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                          • HMS-S6
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jan 2010
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                            #14


                            a slowmo log of the stock ecu in 3rd

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #15
                              Originally posted by HMS-S6
                              Dmitri, Just refitted the stock ecu to my car and went for a run with the AFR rigged up. As it comes 'on' at around 3000 rpm (1bar) the AFR goes to 13-13.2 as it is hessitating, as it clears at around 4,500-5000 rpm at goes to high 11's-low 12's. Would you say that its lean running causing my issues?
                              Sounds lean to me... have you checked fuel pressure regulator and actual fuel flow capability from the pump ?
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