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  • Chasman
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Jan 2004
    • 119
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Slick 50

    I've used Slick 50 in the past and I have some observations which are fairly objective (though not scientific!). We kept fuel records for our Mazda MX5 because we were claiming small amounts of business mileage. Fuel consumption was steady at 30-31mpg before we gave it the treatment. I got the garage to add Slick 50 engine lube to new oil during a service and bought two transmision kits for the diff and gearbox.

    To cut to the chase consumption improved to 34mpg and that lasted through subsequent services. I can't eliminate the effect of any adjustments made during the service but it's interesting. Subjectively the gearbox (quite notchy on the MX5) seemed easier to shift - my wife in particular noticed this without prompting and has a weakness in her left wrist. Again this could be due to fresh gearbox oil by my experience on other cars has been the it is usually stiffer when new - presumably due to higher viscosity when fresh?

    Following my success we tried it in a friends R5 GT Turbo. Again to try to get data we did a few standing starts and in-gear acceleration with me watching the boost guage and speedo. We added the Slick 50 to the engine oild, ran it in for a bit (you don't have to do that these days) then repeated the tests. Boost was arriving 500 to 750RPM earlier...

    With regard to longevity it's supposed to work by filling in imperfections in the surface of the metals actually making the surface smoother if viewed at a microscopic level. This is why I last past the oil change - the PTFE is bonded to the metal. We came up with an even more bizarre test for this. My friends front door used to stick because the brass latch bit scraped against the keeper when you shut it. WD40 and 3-in-1 both worked for a week or two and then they just evaporate or dissipate due to physical contact. We applied a generous coating of Slick 50 and rubbed it in and it lasted months... it became a standing joke.

    To me these all seem to indicate that it has an effect though most of all I am puzzled WHY? It thought all the major bearings in an engine operate on a film of oil not by physical contact. Gearbox I guess is a different matter and that may be where the real gains are (does an Renault 5 share engine and gearbox oil like the old Minis?)

    Just to finish off with a question - I want to add Slick 50 to the gearbox and diffs on my RS2 as there are obviously frictional savings to be made there. However, you can't use it if any wet clutches are involved because it will make the clutch slip (there's another apparent proof it works...) As far as I know the only LSD is a Torsen that doesn't use a clutch. Can anyone comfirm it's OK?

    Also how many seperate doses do I need for the gearbox and all diffs?

    BTW Slick 50 also do a rather good high temperature grease in tubes you use with a grease gun...

    And no I don't work for them!
    Last edited by Chasman; 5 March 2005, 19:35.
    Cheers,
    Chasman
    1994 RS2 in RS Blue Pearlescent
  • dan_b
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Sep 2003
    • 3670
    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

    #2
    My feeling on 3rd party oil additivies is this - if they really worked, surely the oil manufacturers would be putting this stuff in their high-performance engine/ gearbox oils anyway?
    Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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    • Chasman
      S2Forum Enthusiast
      • Jan 2004
      • 119
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Being cynical - because we'd buy their products less often?
      Cheers,
      Chasman
      1994 RS2 in RS Blue Pearlescent

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      • dan_b
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Sep 2003
        • 3670
        • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

        #4
        Fair point!
        Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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        • jon_91_s2
          S2Forum Addict
          • May 2004
          • 253
          • Home: England

          #5
          I remember years ago a mate of mine adding slick 50 to his 1275gt mini whilst the engine was running. As soon as he added it the engine was immediately quiter?
          Jon

          91 3b S2

          Now Sold

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          • 4WheelDrifter
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Oct 2004
            • 5773
            • Country: Devon

            #6
            I'm not sure about these additives, but a friend of mine swears by Slick50.
            BTW, a 5 doesn't share engine and gearbox oil.
            SS

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #7
              I've never dabbled with Slick 50. But to answer the original question... NO the S2 does not use any clutch type differentials - its traditional open geared diffs front and rear and the Torsen is a worm-geared animal in the centre.

              Gearbox, front diff and Torsen diff share the same oil - approx 2.8liters from memory.

              The rear diff runs ~0.75 liters but don't take my word for it !


              Paul
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              • Chasman
                S2Forum Enthusiast
                • Jan 2004
                • 119
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Cheers Dude.
                Cheers,
                Chasman
                1994 RS2 in RS Blue Pearlescent

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                • 90quattrocoupe
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 771
                  • Country: United States

                  #9
                  Originally posted by S2central.net

                  Gearbox, front diff and Torsen diff share the same oil - approx 2.8liters from memory.

                  The rear diff runs ~0.75 liters but don't take my word for it !


                  Paul
                  Spot on. I just changed out both.

                  Greg
                  They can have my car when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel.

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                  • Chasman
                    S2Forum Enthusiast
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 119
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Thanks guys. I've got a query in with Slick 50 to ensure one Gearbox treatment can do that much oil then I'll ask Tom to do it when he fits my Big Reds next week... kerchinnng! That's if he hasn't disappeared the the Bahamas on the GBP 500 advance I put down

                    I just remembered another Slick 50 tale. They do an aerosol version called Slick50 DFL (dry film lubricant) which I have used to very good effect domestically - 3-in-1 lasts about 2-3 months on hinges etc. This DFL stuff works for years - no kidding. There's another PTFE based spray called GT85 (red and black can) that's works well too. There are loads of PTFE based chain lubes for MTBS too it's very well established tech. Who's going to be the first to try it and back me up? Someone with a rolling road for instance - that would settle it once and for all!

                    I surprised how cynical everyone is about Slick50 - I'm sure there's a lot of stuff out there that doesn't work but this certainly seems to in my experience.
                    Cheers,
                    Chasman
                    1994 RS2 in RS Blue Pearlescent

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                    • Greg_S
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 12430
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Must admit Ihave seen cans of GT85 around in my dads garage, I think used for hinges etc like you say.

                      Greg
                      Greg

                      S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

                      '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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                      • 4WheelDrifter
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 5773
                        • Country: Devon

                        #12
                        I use GT-85. Slippery stuff!
                        SS

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                        • Jamo
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 21750
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          *bump* What was the outcome of this? was Slick 50 safe to use?

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                          • Chasman
                            S2Forum Enthusiast
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 119
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            The car has just been serviced my audiman (Tom) so has fresh plugs, oil etc. and is running better than it has for months - cheers Tom! I'm collecting figures for "before" Slick 50ing the engine but I'm running in my Big Reds at the moment and need new tyres so my driving is more economical than usual

                            Once brakes are bedded and new tyres on I'm going to do 2-3 tanks of fuel to get an average then add Slick 50 to the engine, do 2-3 more tanks then do the gearbox and diffs and another 2-3 tanks. I'll collect figures as I go.

                            With regard to it being safe as far as I know (and make damn sure you read all the instructions for yourself!) the only time it's not safe to use is if your LSD has a wet clutch (for obvious reasons). As it says earlier in this thread my car dosn't have any wet clutches so I'm happy to press on with the above plan then post a fuel consumption spreadsheet at the end - probably a couple of months from now. I'm no expert but I can't see how reducing internal friction in the engine can do anything other than fatten your torque curve, thereby increasing power.

                            Evo readers will have seen the recent Ask Jeff where he says manufaturers generally quote power because it's far easier to get headline increaes in that than it is to reduce internal frictional losses. My guess is the engine treatment will only show a small improvement as most engine bearings operate using a trapped film of oil with little or no surface to surface contact. I'm also guessing the earlier boost I've observed in the past is because some of the Slick 50 gets onto the surface the turbo rotor is pushed against when under boost - does this sound feasible?

                            I reckon the biggest improvement will be the special gearbox and diff treatments as there are lots of surfaces meshing and rubbing and we all know from rolling roads that the greatest frictional (ergo power) losses occur here. This means only a small percentage improvement will give large absolute gains.

                            If I speak with forked b*ll*cks do tell me - I can take it!
                            Cheers,
                            Chasman
                            1994 RS2 in RS Blue Pearlescent

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                            • Jamo
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 21750
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              *bump* report Chasman?

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