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  • AndyP
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Feb 2004
    • 6049
    • Country: England

    #16
    What does the top of your wastegate look like? Does it have a big screw sticking out the middle? If it does somebody has removed the anti tamper cover and could have tweaked the pre-load on the spring, giving you a little extra spring boost.



    Have a look around on this site, it has some great reference reading
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    1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      That's a good shout actually - kinked or blocked vacuum pipe to the ECU or ECU not connected to vacuum line.
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • Golfboy666GTI
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Sep 2008
        • 571
        • Country: New Zealand

        #18
        Originally posted by AndyP
        What does the top of your wastegate look like? Does it have a big screw sticking out the middle? If it does somebody has removed the anti tamper cover and could have tweaked the pre-load on the spring, giving you a little extra spring boost.



        Have a look around on this site, it has some great reference reading
        Years ago when I purchased the car it was "Superchipped" All of this was put back to standard 6 or 7 years ago.
        1980 VW Golf GTI Track Car
        1995 Audi RS2

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        • AndyP
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          • Feb 2004
          • 6049
          • Country: England

          #19
          Look at the 2nd to last picture in the link, does yours still have the plug in place?
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          1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
          1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
          1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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          • AndyP
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Feb 2004
            • 6049
            • Country: England

            #20
            Might be worth popping the wastegate cap off and checking the spring too.
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            1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
            1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
            1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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            • Golfboy666GTI
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Sep 2008
              • 571
              • Country: New Zealand

              #21
              Originally posted by AndyP
              Look at the 2nd to last picture in the link, does yours still have the plug in place?
              Yip, it does.

              Also, the car was boosting fine a couple of weeks ago.
              1980 VW Golf GTI Track Car
              1995 Audi RS2

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              • AndyP
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Feb 2004
                • 6049
                • Country: England

                #22
                My thought was that something was causing you to drop to spring boost, which should be 0.4bar or 6psi on a std spring.

                If the car has been superchipped they generally fit a stiffer spring and put a bolt in the top of the wastegate to fine tune it. When you removed the Superchips stuff, did you check the spring? It's not going to fix the issue but it would explain why you're getting 10psi.
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                1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
                1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
                1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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                • Golfboy666GTI
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 571
                  • Country: New Zealand

                  #23
                  I guess this is the MFTS plug?



                  Also, I guess I should plug the N75 back in to test the MFTS?
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                  • AndyP
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                    • Feb 2004
                    • 6049
                    • Country: England

                    #24
                    Yes and yes.
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                    • Golfboy666GTI
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 571
                      • Country: New Zealand

                      #25
                      Well with unplugging the MFTS and replugging the N75 I have more boost. The boost gauge is saying 17psi.
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                      • UrS4boy
                        S2Forum Obsessed
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 11859
                        • Country: Canada

                        #26
                        F76 Multifunction Temperature Switch R&R Info

                        Originally posted by Golfboy666GTI
                        Well with unplugging the MFTS and replugging the N75 I have more boost. The boost gauge is saying 17psi.
                        Good news Nik. Seems a bit down for an RS2 but much better than before.

                        What has the coolant temperature gauge been saying throughout this?

                        The original OE 4 pin MFTS was an active 4 pin device requiring a supply voltage. The 035919369L was dropped on Aug. 31, 1992 in favour of a 046919369, i.e. 20 years ago. In turn, the 046919369 was dropped on Dec. 31, 1993 in favour of the 034919369C which is a simpler, passive, 3 pin device that has the exact same functionality but has no 12 V supply pin. The one below is the later three pin available through your friendly Audi dealer or suppliers such as World Pac:



                        To change the MFTS, you need a 29 mm deep socket (to clear the brown electrical connection) and a stubby ratchet. For an AAN, move the throttle body hose out of the way to get better access. ABY and ADU won't have that issue but the radiator will no doubt create some "challenges".

                        I changed mine on my AAN in my Sunday clothes while waiting for my wife to come out of the house to go for Sunday brunch. I was just trialling it to see how I would do it when we came back home and before you know it (about 5 minutes), I had removed the old one and replaced it with the new one. There was some tricky finger work while doing the Dutch-boy dike plugging thing with one finger and handing-off the old one from my right hand to my left hand and then feeding the new one from the left hand to my right hand and then starting the threads by hand. NOTE: All this was done with the engine just warm from getting out of the garage to the street. DON'T DO IT with the engine HOT!!

                        Note: If the plastic electrical connector in the harness crumbles (due heat aging), the PN for a new one is 893971974 (Item 29 in the diagram below).(Gold plated pins = 000979227EA - only in 2.5mm, Unplated pins = 000979135E - 1mm) Note: Item 27 in the diagram is a rubber boot (grommet) that helps to protect and stabilize the MFTS signal from wind in the engine bay.



                        More F76 MFTS info:

                        The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums
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                        • Golfboy666GTI
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 571
                          • Country: New Zealand

                          #27
                          Originally posted by UrS4boy
                          Good news Nik. Seems a bit down for an RS2 but much better than before.

                          What has the coolant temperature gauge been saying throughout this?

                          The original OE 4 pin MFTS was an active 4 pin device requiring a supply voltage. The 035919369L was dropped on Aug. 31, 1992 in favour of a 046919369, i.e. 20 years ago. In turn, the 046919369 was dropped on Dec. 31, 1993 in favour of the 034919369C which is a simpler, passive, 3 pin device that has the exact same functionality but has no 12 V supply pin. The one below is the later three pin available through your friendly Audi dealer or suppliers such as World Pac:




                          To change the MFTS, you need a 29 mm deep socket (to clear the brown electrical connection) and a stubby ratchet. For an AAN, move the throttle body hose out of the way to get better access. ABY and ADU won't have that issue but the radiator will no doubt create some "challenges".

                          I changed mine on my AAN in my Sunday clothes while waiting for my wife to come out of the house to go for Sunday brunch. I was just trialling it to see how I would do it when we came back home and before you know it (about 5 minutes), I had removed the old one and replaced it with the new one. There was some tricky finger work while doing the Dutch-boy dike plugging thing with one finger and handing-off the old one from my right hand to my left hand and then feeding the new one from the left hand to my right hand and then starting the threads by hand. NOTE: All this was done with the engine just warm from getting out of the garage to the street. DON'T DO IT with the engine HOT!!

                          Note: If the plastic electrical connector in the harness crumbles (due heat aging), the PN for a new one is 893971974 (Item 29 in the diagram below).(Gold plated pins = 000979227EA - only in 2.5mm, Unplated pins = 000979135E - 1mm) Note: Item 27 in the diagram is a rubber boot (grommet) that helps to protect and stabilize the MFTS signal from wind in the engine bay.



                          More F76 MFTS info:

                          http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/22584.phtml
                          The coolant gauge didnt register anything?
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                          1995 Audi RS2

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                          • UrS4boy
                            S2Forum Obsessed
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 11859
                            • Country: Canada

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Golfboy666GTI
                            The coolant gauge didnt register anything?
                            Then you definitely have a dead 034919369C F76 MFTS (it provides the signal to the coolant temperature gauge) *OR* you have a wiring issue.

                            Here are some example prices (don't know why they all say "4 pin" when they are obviously 3 pin. Not that it matters):

                            http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/034919369C/

                            RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                            94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                            • Golfboy666GTI
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 571
                              • Country: New Zealand

                              #29
                              Originally posted by UrS4boy
                              Then you definitely have a dead 034919369C F76 MFTS (it provides the signal to the coolant temperature gauge) *OR* you have a wiring issue.

                              Here are some example prices (don't know why they all say "4 pin" when they are obviously 3 pin. Not that it matters):

                              http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/SiteSearch/034919369C/

                              Sorry, just to clarify, the water temp gauge works when its plugged in, but not when its unplugged.
                              1980 VW Golf GTI Track Car
                              1995 Audi RS2

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                              • UrS4boy
                                S2Forum Obsessed
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 11859
                                • Country: Canada

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Golfboy666GTI
                                Sorry, just to clarify, the water temp gauge works when its plugged in, but not when its unplugged.


                                Well that means at least part of the F76 MFTS is working, i.e. the 1/T line. The one connected to Pin T55/46 of your ECU is 2/R, the blue/white wire. You might have to at least check for continuity between the harness connector and Pin T55/46 in the 38 to 55 row of the ECU connector.



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                                94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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