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  • Efini
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Jun 2004
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    #1

    Now... What does this do?

    Could anyone enlighten me with some information on the number 3 in this drawing?



    It says it's a pressure regulating valve, but what does it actually do?
    Seems mine is trashed, could this be one of the reasons my car is running so bad? I can only hope..
  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    It regulates vacuum in the engine, Greg_S can explain it better, one was replaced at the Garage meeting and it cured running problems.

    Think it was Robo or Dan_B i really can't remember

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    • AAH!
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      • Jun 2004
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      #3
      Isn't it the PCV breather valve?
      formally RS2 +

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        Its a very low res drawing, but I think that's what's being discussed - it regulates vacuum pressure in the crankcase - essentially allowing the engine to breath out the dreaded 'blow-by' gasses.

        Under vacuum the engine ingests the blow-by gasses into the inlet manifold.

        Under boost the engine ingests these fumes at the MAF hose. Yeuch...

        Split PCV hoses and faulty valves can cause unmetered air to enter the engine. Blocked PCV hoses give the engine breathing problems as you might imagine. There is also a flame trap within the PCV system which can gunge up the system with moisture ridden oily crap that collects over the years.



        Paul
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        • Efini
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          • Jun 2004
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          #5
          Thanks a lot!

          Just removed a few of the hoses connected to the valve and they are FULL of the moisture ridden oily crap you are talking about Paul, guess it's time to clean up.

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
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            #6
            Yeah they are pretty nasty - check them carefully for leaks as the oily crap causes the hoses to soften over time & they can split. Some new PCV hoses from Audi can be ludicrously expensive.

            It maybe time to consider a catch-tank / cyclone system !
            Paul Nugent
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            • AAH!
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              • Jun 2004
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              #7
              Remember to change the flame trap (i think number 5 on the diagram) as you can see it gets really clogged up.
              Attached Files
              formally RS2 +

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              • Efini
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                • Jun 2004
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                #8
                Originally posted by AAH!
                Remember to change the flame trap (i think number 5 on the diagram) as you can see it gets really clogged up.
                Yes it's number 5, called "flame deflector plate" in the diagram.
                It looks like it's supposed to be in the short hose between the valve and the metal tube. Well.. I just removed it and there's nothing in there. Wonder where it could be.

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                • lees2
                  S2Forum Buff
                  • Sep 2004
                  • 32

                  #9
                  did you guys say flame trap??

                  i removed mine a couple of years ago, and it cured my engine slightly smoking!!

                  is this little gizmo a must??it was really clogged up, so i just pulled it out!!

                  oops!!

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                  • AAH!
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                    • Jun 2004
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Efini
                    Wonder where it could be.
                    Mine was stuck right up by the bend of the metal pipe marked 6A. Needed to use some very thin and long nosed plyers to get a decent grip and pull it out.


                    Originally posted by lees2
                    is this little gizmo a must?
                    I suppose it's there for a reason, but then again those audi people might just be playing it extra safe..... or maybe not.
                    formally RS2 +

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                    • S2central.net
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Jul 2003
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                      #11
                      I dunno how important that flame arrester is, but Audi must have figured there is some sort of possibility (say with an inlet valve stuck open) that combustion could get into the inlet manifold. Whether that would be enough to send a flame front thru the PCV system and start an oil fire in your sump is another matter. Sounds pretty implausible to me, but Audi wouldn't have put the part there unless there was some sort of potential hazard in running without it.


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                      • porkkis
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                        • Aug 2003
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                        #12
                        I don't have one and no problems what so ever.
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                        • Efini
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                          • Jun 2004
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                          #13
                          Doesn't really seem like I have one either. Just had the metal pipe removed too, nothing in there..

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                          • The Spanish
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 719

                            #14
                            Just open the PCV system today and I could not believe the amount of crap I found in there. I am sure the system was completely clogged.

                            Flame trap was a black mix of metal, oil and debris and it took me 15 minutes with water and degreaser to clean valve (number 3) and the amount of things getting of there was ridicously.

                            Will get a new flame trap but I think is time to install a catch tank system, plus I could use the unused EGT hole in the Downpipe to create the vacuum.

                            Anybody could help me shorting a correct catch tank in the Uk, because they will laugh at me here in Spain.

                            Cheers
                            PS Could the hesitation I was having on the engine at WOT be related to this?
                            94' RS2 Coupe TT (Twin Torsen )

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                            • rotoryboy
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                              • May 2004
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Spanish
                              Anybody could help me shorting a correct catch tank in the Uk, because they will laugh at me here in Spain.?
                              Try here
                              Mark

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