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  • Paulgo
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    • Jan 2005
    • 498
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    This could be a dash out job!

    Well it looks like some drastic remedial action is required if I ever want heat again in the car!!. Something has been fouling the operation of the heater control which Ive traced to some sort of a problem in internal operation of the heating duct itself. Something’s up either with the paddle or the cogs that operate it, thats closes off the hot air from the matrix, controling the temperature thru the vents. It seems stuck on the closed setting, not allowing any hot air to pass into the system.

    I cant see how its connected to the removal of the old and not working dealer fit aircon from the engine bay, although it did happen shortly afterwards . Unless some muck has got in from the pipes that were cut and somehow blocked the internal paddle thing, or that something just broken in there. Whatevetr it is it's worse case senario and something’s up inside the unit.

    My first thought is to attempt to remove the complete blower assembly from the left hand side of the central matrix housing to gain some access that way. Heck of a lot of wiring and relays and stuff around it that I think is all aircon related and not now needed. Looks like it could be fun!!

    Some pics with the glove box removed





    Fortunately I do have a spare non-aircon blower unit that I can use as a replacement as the one that’s in is now redundant and massive too! As its dealer fit they seem to have run out of room for the ECU so Ive also got an odd tray assembly you can see in the pics (very well made actually) that sits under the glove box – this can go also and the ECU put back where it should go.

    Anyone done anything like this before? There are a lot of differences between the air/non aircon assemblies but im guessing that the heater matrix assembly it bolts to is the same. Same controls anyway. All the aircon stuff is at the blower end I hope. Will this make it a straight swap? One key difference is that the attachments to the centre housing have a different clip arrangement. Also worried about how I’ll attached the clips at the back/engine bay side on the central matrix housing

    All this said I might still not be able to fix the problem this way - its in the heater matrix section and the very worst to get to - in which case the only other option is to pull the dash…. I have done this before on the old 80 – whole dash out, but there’s a heck of a lot more under the dash on an S2 than a B3 80!!, so I really, really, really would rather not have to!!

    All tips & suggestions welcome!!

    cheers

    Paul
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  • Fat Audi 80
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    • Jan 2004
    • 10547
    • Country: England

    #2
    Hard to see from there.

    I would say, try and take the centre console out to see if that helps access to the heater flap.

    Are you sure it isn't just the heater flap stuck?

    cheers,

    Steve.
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    • Paulgo
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      • Jan 2005
      • 498
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      If could be Steve - things got a bit hot when the car overheated and lost coolant I guess and I think the flaps have a thin foam type covering. Whatever is causing it wouldnt be budged when I managed to get hold of the little lever that the control wire attaches to right under the matrix housing and gave it some "gentle" persuasion. In the end there was barely any play/movement in the heater control knob but I could hear a dull thud - like a flap knocking against something, when I waggled the knob, but there was no heat at all regardless. Blinkin weird

      I just had the centre consol out too checking that it wasnt the heater control unit itself that was the culprit. Dont know if I can get any / enough access that way - but luckilly I can check what comes apart & how on the spare in the garage!!

      cheers

      Paul
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      • panzerwagen
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        • Feb 2004
        • 900
        • Country: United States

        #4
        This is one hell of a job to do!

        It is about as hellish as replacing the heater core itself. The flaps are controlled by a temp sensor which in turn controls the motor that drives the main flap to the outside air intake. You either have a vacuum leak in the lines or
        your sensor is shot. The removal and replacement of the sensor is not for the faint hearted.
        But in the case of the pix you posted, it may be accessible . The sensor will tell the flap motor to either shut the flap
        or open it depending on the temp it senses within the car. Usually when you insert the key & energize the electrical system you will hear the flap shut close or hear it open. Try using a "mighty Vac " tool too see if the flaps are operational.

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        • Paulgo
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          • Jan 2005
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          #5
          cheers - is this for cars with elctronically regulated climate control or just aircon? I was hoping there was just mechanical cog & wheel type stuff in there that operated the system!

          Is the whole heater system on an aircon car, including the central matrix unit completely different?? - I'd assumed the central bit it was much the same! Looking on the family album there is a system where the blower is mounted on its side, which does look different, whereas mine is mounted flat

          thanks!

          Paul
          Last edited by Paulgo; 4 August 2006, 17:00.
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          • panzerwagen
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            • Feb 2004
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            #6
            Is your car Manual or Auto climate control?

            If Auto than what I explained goes. But if Manual, you are on your own.

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            • Paulgo
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              • Jan 2005
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              #7
              Originally posted by Panzerwagen
              If Auto than what I explained goes. But if Manual, you are on your own.
              Phew! I think!! Tho I've been poking around a little more and there does seem to be a lot more to the aircon system that I realised at first. I can hardly get any movement now out of the lever that should normally let the warm air through - really feels like something is blocking or impeding the flap.

              Is then anything connected to the aircon side that could do this before I start pulling it apart or does anyone have a good diagram of the system?

              cheers

              Paul
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              • panzerwagen
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                • Feb 2004
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                #8
                There is a lever connected to the flap....

                that opens & shuts the flap. Break it & you will have more problems then you can handle. You could try to dis-engage the lever by taking the screw out of the lever but then .......

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                • panzerwagen
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                  • Feb 2004
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                  #9
                  Sorry about that! Security has been ramped up on that site!

                  I hope this helps.
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