Can you run without an intercooler?

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  • mcandmar
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Apr 2004
    • 5118
    • Country: Ireland

    #1

    Can you run without an intercooler?

    Our S4 got hit on the front left and spit the intercooler, can you safely run without one for daily driving? i.e. no full throttle or high revs.

    Obviously this is "temporary" until we can find a replacement.

    Thanks,

    Mark.
    91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
    93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
    94S2Bus - The Emerald Express
  • porkkis
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Aug 2003
    • 1994
    • Country: Finland

    #2
    Yes.
    -

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    • Audi Parts Guru
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Jul 2003
      • 1317
      • Home: England Current: United Kingdom

      #3
      You can, just take it easy though
      S2 Avant......fully loaded :rock: :bow: Slipper Wagons Rule !!!!!

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        No real need to take it easy - Motronic will ensure that boost and timing are limited when air temps get out of control... you can run without the intercooler OK.
        Paul Nugent
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        2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
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        • curlyks2
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Feb 2004
          • 1069
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Please forgive my potential ignorance on this one...

          Is there a question here as to whether it's "without intercooler" or "without intercooler but with a bypass hose"?

          If there is simply no intercooler, and no intercooler bypass hose, what path does the air take into the manifold? Does it still go via the filter (MAF, turbo, etc), or is the engine sucking it straight in from somewhere after that?

          Ck.
          Shocked, exhausted, hosed, bushed, dumped, chipped, mounted, filtered, gauged, packed, intermittantly wiped and braked. I mean broken. Now, about the car...

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          • Keeper of The Kitten
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Dec 2003
            • 2317
            • Country: England

            #6
            I'm guessing it's bypass - otherwise you'll have a boost leak and all the inherent problems.

            __MDC__
            Martin Cutting

            aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

            It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #7
              Originally posted by curlyks2
              Please forgive my potential ignorance on this one...

              Is there a question here as to whether it's "without intercooler" or "without intercooler but with a bypass hose"?

              If there is simply no intercooler, and no intercooler bypass hose, what path does the air take into the manifold? Does it still go via the filter (MAF, turbo, etc), or is the engine sucking it straight in from somewhere after that?

              Ck.
              Huhh - not sure I understand you... There isn't such a thing as an "intercooler bypass hose".

              The car in question got a frontal ding which holed the intercooler. The owner is looking to temporarily run with a section of hose in place of the damaged intercooler just to keep the car on the road as its driveable otherwise.

              Plenty of old turbo cars ran without an intercooler - they are a relatively new invention.

              Don't forget the intercoolers location on the intake path is between the turbo compressor output and the inlet manifold. Its job is to reduce air temperature (effectively increasing the mass where flow and pressure is constant) - the result of cooler air is increased knock resilience and therefore more power and torque available.


              Paul
              Paul Nugent
              Webmaster http://S2central.net
              Administrator http://S2forum.com

              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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              • curlyks2
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Feb 2004
                • 1069
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Originally posted by S2central.net
                The owner is looking to temporarily run with a section of hose in place of the damaged intercooler
                Yup that's what I meant by "intercooler bypass hose". Didn't express myself very clearly - apologies. First day back at work after a week of getting up late and lazing around watching Wimbledon, so brain not firing on all cylinders again yet.

                Originally posted by S2central.net
                Plenty of old turbo cars ran without an intercooler - they are a relatively new invention.
                Realise that

                Wasn't clear (to me at any rate) in the original post whether there was a section of hose in place of the intercooler - is just says "without one".

                Ck.
                Shocked, exhausted, hosed, bushed, dumped, chipped, mounted, filtered, gauged, packed, intermittantly wiped and braked. I mean broken. Now, about the car...

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                • Keeper of The Kitten
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 2317
                  • Country: England

                  #9
                  Bypassing it with a piece of pipe, that's what I meant too.

                  S4s have two intercoolers, yes? As I understand it the old 1.8T A4 had one on one side only and the S4 had a matching symmetrical opposite.

                  Does this mean mcandmar intends to run one side with the i/c and the other side without?

                  __MDC__
                  Martin Cutting

                  aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                  It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                  • Jas11n
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 5067
                    • Country: England

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Keeper of The Kitten
                    Bypassing it with a piece of pipe, that's what I meant too.

                    S4s have two intercoolers, yes? As I understand it the old 1.8T A4 had one on one side only and the S4 had a matching symmetrical opposite.

                    Does this mean mcandmar intends to run one side with the i/c and the other side without?

                    __MDC__
                    The later 2.7 V6 bi-turbo S4's (A4 based) had two intercoolers, but going off the pics in Marks gallery, this is the ealier urS4 (audi 100/AAN 20v turbo engine) which only has one intercooler.
                    2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
                    2004 A4 Avant 1.8T quattro Sport-LE.
                    1995 S2 Coupe - sold (sniff)

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                    • mcandmar
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 5118
                      • Country: Ireland

                      #11
                      Sorry to confuse everyone, i did mean putting a pipe in place of the intercooler, car is a 93 URS4.

                      First pic shows the hole in the bumper that the intercooler made. The second pic is looking forwards to the output side of the IC, you can see two red marks where the output hit the front cross member, the top left hand corner of the IC is the part that poked out through the bumper, it got pushed back into the car and pulled the intercooler apart.

                      Mark.
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                      • mcandmar
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 5118
                        • Country: Ireland

                        #12
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                        Attached Files
                        91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
                        93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
                        94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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                        • Keeper of The Kitten
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 2317
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          Ahhh! The original S4 then!

                          Ouch, Mark that looks like rough luck - hope you get it sorted!!

                          __MDC__
                          Martin Cutting

                          aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                          It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                          • Sidspud
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1223
                            • Home: Scotland Current: United Nations

                            #14
                            Originally posted by curlyks2
                            If there is simply no intercooler, and no intercooler bypass hose, what path does the air take into the manifold? Does it still go via the filter (MAF, turbo, etc), or is the engine sucking it straight in from somewhere after that?

                            Ck.
                            If the intercooler is removed and nothing is put back in its place then the car simply won't run. I discovered this when one of the hoses fell off my intercooler.
                            The car will stall and will not idle at all. You could hold it at a certain rev level using the accelerator, but as soon as you try and pull away, it would stall again.
                            ex '93 Avant owner

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                            • ~Delta
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 797

                              #15
                              ... Motronic will run without intercooler, and without a pipe in its place. You'll have to disconnect the MAF plug, it'll run super rich (default value), but it will certainly get you home.
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