Inlet manifold flow figures from 034efi

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  • MarkPS
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • May 2005
    • 65
    • Country: England

    #1

    Inlet manifold flow figures from 034efi

    Hi

    O34 have be flow testing their inlet manifold and the 3b one see link below

    ..as on a Superflow bench with 28 inches. All within 4% max/min, within 1.1% of average or so, this is untouched right off the CNC. Just for reference 8) I'm getting a 3B flowed right now for comparison 8)


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    Mark
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  • BRY
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    • Nov 2004
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    #2
    Originally posted by MarkPS
    Hi

    I'd be V interested to see the flow of a stock AAN inlet manifold- any chance?

    Regards
    Mark
    Me too
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    • repo
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Dec 2004
      • 893
      • Country: Finland

      #3
      Now please tell me what situation in high horsepower turbo engine that kind of flowbench test simulates?
      Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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      • MarkPS
        S2Forum Fanatic
        • May 2005
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        #4
        Hi Repo

        I admit I have no idea - whats the difference?

        Regards
        Mark
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        • repo
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Dec 2004
          • 893
          • Country: Finland

          #5
          I think if You test the intake like that, IOW by sucking air through one runner at a time, only thing You simulate, is flow rate at at 28 inches of water amount of vacuum.

          How You SHOULD test intake then? Well, my 0,02eur is 5 egt probes, and a dyno.
          Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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          • dets
            S2Forum Buff
            • Nov 2004
            • 46
            • Country: United States

            #6
            Originally posted by repo
            I think if You test the intake like that, IOW by sucking air through one runner at a time, only thing You simulate, is flow rate at at 28 inches of water amount of vacuum.

            How You SHOULD test intake then? Well, my 0,02eur is 5 egt probes, and a dyno.


            Its true, the only true way to find out whether or not the intake is producing more power is with a dyno.


            But a flow bench is a bit useful when determining if any pressure drops exist along the intake track.

            An expierance flow bench operator is always needed when any of these tests are done. And considering both manifolds were tested, it may be that Javad is preparing to test both manifolds on a dyno to prove the results.

            Flow bench testing is tricky because it doesn't take into account the pressure drops and increases that happen when the intake/exhaust timing pulses occur.


            Lets wait and see if the how much power the dyno will prove and what the upper limit is on the intake.

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            • Sweeper
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1317
              • Country: Latvia

              #7
              Btw , dahlback now sells his dual plenum 4cylinder intake manifold for some 450+VAT euros. I think thei nternal design is the same for both 5cyl and 4cyl applications. Maybe someone want to buy and cut it to see the design inside :> ?
              Vadim.

              New engine (mechanical PKM head) , Alcon 332mm brakes , Pauter rods , Mahle pistons, GT30R , kw v2 sucpension , new exhaust. 608HP. For SALE !

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              • s2dude
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Nov 2005
                • 1631
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Originally posted by repo
                Now please tell me what situation in high horsepower turbo engine that kind of flowbench test simulates?
                Flowbench testing replicates HOW the manifold will perform under operational conditions.

                It is basically a foolproof measure of how those runners will flow when the engine is boosting (or not as the case may be)

                The only difference will be if the engine is measured at very low output (say 3k rpm) the readings will be proportionally lower.

                I say this because the flow results from a skilled bench operator will be replicated in the real world......

                If you take 5 EGT sensors and place them on the exhaust manifold when using this tested inlet mani I would put money that they will read within 1% of the flow readings given in the bench test.

                obviously when corrected as a percentage from Flow reading to EGT (using relevant formulae )

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                • 90quattrocoupe
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                  • Nov 2003
                  • 771
                  • Country: United States

                  #9
                  One question I never see answered is the one about what difference a compressor makes on the flow of tapered manifold. I am not an engineer or anything, but it would seem that a NA motor sucking air would have different manifold flow characteristics than a turbo motor blowing pressure. Wouldn't the taper help equalize the amount of air flow once the manifold was up to pressure? Once the manifold is up to pressure, and remains pressurized, wouldn't the flow be the same on all the inlet runners?

                  Just looking to under stand this whole thing.

                  Greg W.
                  They can have my car when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel.

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                  • dreamer
                    S2Forum Buff
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 39
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    S6 manifold

                    Come across a picture of a 94 S6 which has a 2.2 20v turbo in it and was curious wether the manifold is usable on an S2.

                    Pic:
                    Attached Files

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                    • jogi730
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 2335
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Hi,
                      I do believe that is the AAN manifold as used by many on this forum (including myself on 3B engine) Cheers
                      Chris
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by jogi730; 27 April 2006, 23:20.
                      Audi 90 quattro (Typ 85)
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                      • Corey
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                        • Sep 2003
                        • 2793
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        If you are using it on the 3b make sure you have the AAN water manifold also.
                        Corey
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                        • Albert
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                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1500
                          • Country: Poland

                          #13
                          or the stock 3B one will have to be modyfied to fit.
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                          • sorens2
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 241
                            • Country: Denmark

                            #14
                            Has anyone got a pic of the 3B modified water manifold ??
                            I´m soon doing the S6 conversion on my 3B.

                            Søren S2
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                            • martinjs
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3205
                              • Country: England

                              #15
                              Yes, here's mine.
                              Attached Files

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