Inlet manifold flow figures from 034efi

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  • MarkPS
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • May 2005
    • 65
    • Country: England

    #16
    Hi

    They have now just posted flow results for the RS2 inlet manifold

    Interesting!?

    ..as on a Superflow bench with 28 inches. All within 4% max/min, within 1.1% of average or so, this is untouched right off the CNC. Just for reference 8) I'm getting a 3B flowed right now for comparison 8)


    Regards
    Mark
    88 URQ

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    • s2_bo
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Oct 2005
      • 6067
      • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

      #17
      5% less flow than the 3b one!! Thats very odd I would have thought slightly more... but definitely not less??
      91 S2 coupé - RIP
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      • Jamo
        Retired OG Mod
        • Mar 2004
        • 21750
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        I find it hard to believe those results personally as Pisobiker has tested the manifolds and came up with different results IIRC?

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        • s2_bo
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          • Oct 2005
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          • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

          #19
          This would suggest that the 3B IM is superior to the ABY one , let the battle commence.. lol..
          91 S2 coupé - RIP
          98 S8 - Luxury barge

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          • Jamo
            Retired OG Mod
            • Mar 2004
            • 21750
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Originally posted by s2_bo
            This would suggest that the 3B IM is superior to the ABY one , let the battle commence.. lol..
            Dont think so



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            • S2 Ant
              S2Forum Possessed
              • Jul 2003
              • 3682
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              3B Manifold



              RS2 Manifold

              Ant

              2007 Mk5 Golf GTi, 3 door, DSG, REVO Stg 2 and other goodies
              2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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              • S2 Ant
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Jul 2003
                • 3682
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                Theres a huge jump between no 3 and no 5 (from left to right) altho that gap is less on the RS item its still a huge drop, i would have thought flow toward the end to be greater as its in the line of the flow and no 1 to be lower due to the angle away from flow.

                All makes for an interesting read tho
                Ant

                2007 Mk5 Golf GTi, 3 door, DSG, REVO Stg 2 and other goodies
                2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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                • Jon441cc
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 2061
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  wagner manifold

                  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Saugrohr-Intak...QQcmdZViewItem
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                  • 90quattrocoupe
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 771
                    • Country: United States

                    #24
                    These tests are just fine. But no one has answered my Question from earlier in this thread. All these tests were done on a flow bench, which SUCKS air.

                    But these manifolds are not on NA motors they are on turbo motors. The air is BLOWN in.

                    Now I am not an engineer, as I said before. It seems to me if you pressurize a pipe, you will change the flow in all the outlets. There has to be some reason that the intake is tapered down toward the end. When you are pushing air, water, or any other medium, it seems you could equalize the flow buy tapering the pipe at the end.

                    Any one want to comment this time?

                    Greg W.
                    They can have my car when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel.

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                    • AnLe
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 291
                      • Country: Finland

                      #25
                      sucking or blowing, doesnt matter, it just the pressure difference between the manifold.

                      But as someone allready said, this kind of flow testing don't give as nothing else than pritty picture, it does not tell wich manifold is better, becouse in engine, flows are not "steady streams" as in flow bench, air is pushed around when overlap occures, not to mention the firing order that opens valves here-there-last-first-middle, the air has to stop turn and twist, engine is hot and usually people drives with too little turbos and air is hot as hell (just measured tepms on one rs2 in dyno ic in ~55c, ic out 29c and the pipe before throttle 59c, temps are from memory and they are outside of the metal, not air temps) at running engines there are so many variables that predicting how manifold works just looking flowchart is not very rewarding.

                      For my opinion, and this is opinion, I like to have somewhat matching numbers on runnes as flow, but I like to have it dual champer and somewhat symmetrical form, this is just to easy my mind to thinking its good, no realworld results cant get without dyno the engine.

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                      • Wizard-of-OD
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Jan 2004
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                        • Home: Syria Current: Canada

                        #26
                        Originally posted by AnLe
                        sucking or blowing, doesnt matter, it just the pressure difference between the manifold.
                        Bingo,numbers dont lie...

                        Those that find the tests hard to believe...I guess Javad's 648whp 80 is more than convincing to me.
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                        • AnLe
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                          • Dec 2003
                          • 291
                          • Country: Finland

                          #27
                          If you go to drag races and look around in pitstop, there are many 7-8 sec cars that have intake or exhaust manifolds that are just set of T connections, and they work fine. Intake or exhaust manifold must be VERY bad to reduce max hp, it is all about the other charesteristics, spool up, temperatures, knocking, ease of installation!, what ever you prefer.

                          std exhaust manifolds are proven many times to get pass 400hp barrier, stock intake well over 500 horses? Yes, they dont cut the max power, but changing to something pretty, might get you same spoolup with bigger turbo, or better range, BUT if turbo is too small or getting clocked up with backpressure, changing to better breathing intake/exhaust may even make the worse, everything is connected to everything.

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                          • Greg_S
                            Administrator
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 12431
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            The problem with the standard Exhaust Manifold is that the valves can overheat on a 1 & 5 causing them to break down
                            Greg

                            S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

                            '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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                            • S2 Ant
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3682
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              surely there would be a noticable difference between sucking and blowing on an inlet manifold..... if you have 5 ports equally sucking instead of 1 blowing theres gonna have to be a difference surely.
                              Ant

                              2007 Mk5 Golf GTi, 3 door, DSG, REVO Stg 2 and other goodies
                              2011 Kawasaki Z1000

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                              • AnLe
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                                • Dec 2003
                                • 291
                                • Country: Finland

                                #30
                                I don't think so, but I have nothing to prove my way or yours, good point for the argument sake, but when in realife engine is in that state that all 5 draws air? So measuring that will not help any way our quest for better breathing.

                                And for that matter, I think that flow bench numbers are measure one runner at a time?

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