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  • magarv
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    • Jul 2004
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    #16
    Originally posted by Billman
    Lehman builds the Exhaust manifolds for the I5 with Inconel.
    Inconel is far superior to SS steels when used in exhaust manifolds! But it is expensive as HE... Inconel keeps its tensile strenght even at very high temperatures.

    I use it some times in my work as an engineer for the oil/gas industry. Price exampel: M12 x 100mm tie bolt with lock nut in Inconel: price each aprox 100£

    Unless you drive a F1 car or similar SS steel is god enough. (not 316/316L)

    Magnus
    "Ring addicted"
    8,43 BTG with trafic and roadworks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYg50Bg2lVQ

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    • Keeper of The Kitten
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      • Dec 2003
      • 2317
      • Country: England

      #17
      Used to use Inconel for the exhausts on Toyota TS010 V10 Gp C sportscars, hellishly expensive but it's good stuff! I'm intending to use 321 on my system, is it ok to weld to 304 if I need to mix and match some components? Justin perhaps you will know?

      __MDC__
      Martin Cutting

      aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

      It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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      • magarv
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        • Jul 2004
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        #18
        Originally posted by Keeper of The Kitten
        Used to use Inconel for the exhausts on Toyota TS010 V10 Gp C sportscars, hellishly expensive but it's good stuff! I'm intending to use 321 on my system, is it ok to weld to 304 if I need to mix and match some components? Justin perhaps you will know?

        __MDC__
        No problem to weld 304 to 321. I think the best is to use 347 filler rod.
        "Ring addicted"
        8,43 BTG with trafic and roadworks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYg50Bg2lVQ

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        • olsonjus
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          • Dec 2003
          • 293
          • Country: United States

          #19
          Heres the other side of the collector. Shouldn't be too bad welding up the outside of the collector.

          The collector pieces were cut using a CNC mill. I drew it up in solidworks and my friend with a CNC cut the pieces for me. Technology





          Justin

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          • Azman
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Sep 2005
            • 3205
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Got to say that looks sweet can't wait to see the finished product
            Dark Grey Avant
            RS2 FARB
            Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
            Alloy Subframe Bushes

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            • Billman
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              • Nov 2004
              • 4129

              #21
              Just out of curiosity i aske HighTechAlloys about inconel 625 tubes and got the following answer:

              625 , 3.1 b , Rundmaterial

              1 Mtr. rd. 40 mm

              € / kg 56.80

              How much does someone need for a Header?
              Go Holset or Go RS4

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              • T2Andy
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                • Mar 2005
                • 1903
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22

                JAGUAR V10 INCONEL HEADERS.NICE
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                • Billman
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 4129

                  #23
                  Peugeot WRC Header-Antilag?



                  Go Holset or Go RS4

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                  • porkkis
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1994
                    • Country: Finland

                    #24
                    Inside view of the welded pipe would be much more interesting
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                    • Audi_CQ
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 940
                      • Country: Norway

                      #25
                      Originally posted by magarv
                      Unless you drive a F1 car or similar SS steel is god enough. (not 316/316L)

                      Magnus
                      What's wrong with 316?

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                      • magarv
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                        • Jul 2004
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Audi_CQ
                        What's wrong with 316?
                        316 is good enough in some applications, but when exposed to very high temperatures over time it gets more brittle or fragile than 304 and 321.

                        In my jobb I have designed gasturbine exhaust systems for offshore rigs (30 000+ hp engines ) and we never use 316/L because it will crack more easily after some time in the heat. We always use 321 (or 347 when casting).

                        I have seen turbo manifolds in 316 without cracks, but I would have used 321 (or 304) if I should have made my manifold in ss steel.

                        Magnus
                        "Ring addicted"
                        8,43 BTG with trafic and roadworks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYg50Bg2lVQ

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                        • Jeffer
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 2057
                          • Country: Netherlands

                          #27
                          I agree with Magnus. 321 is the way to go.
                          Read more @ http://www.burnsstainless.com/321tubing/321tubing.html

                          Not to hi-jack the thread, but my 321 SS manifold stil lives without cracks with the whole weight of the K27, wastegate and front half of the exhaust hanging on it. Its NOT supported at all. Done 17.000 km's with it now.
                          RS2 Black - stock 315 HP
                          RS2 RS blau - stock 315 HP
                          Sport Quattro - 1005 HP
                          High Octane website

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                          • olsonjus
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                            • Dec 2003
                            • 293
                            • Country: United States

                            #28
                            Anyway, back on topic. The manifold is being tacked up and the basic runner layout has been decided upon. The cylinders will be paired so that they radially fire into the collector counter clockwise. I will have some pictures to post tomorrow night, as tonight I'm going to see Matisyahu in concert.

                            If anyone would like to have me fabricate a turbo header from 321, I am more then willing to. Check out the cost of them from Burns Stainless:



                            With the cost of u-bends around $45-50, I'm looking at a very expensive header. I'd love to use the stuff, but no one would buy them at the price I'd need to sell them for to make a profit.

                            Regards,
                            Justin

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                            • Billman
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 4129

                              #29
                              @Justin

                              Where do you think will be price for the Header you are making?

                              So 304 or 321 is Better?

                              How much would it cost if you made it out of Inconel?
                              Go Holset or Go RS4

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                              • magarv
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Billman
                                @Justin

                                Where do you think will be price for the Header you are making?

                                So 304 or 321 is Better?

                                How much would it cost if you made it out of Inconel?
                                321 is better, but more expensive.
                                "Ring addicted"
                                8,43 BTG with trafic and roadworks:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYg50Bg2lVQ

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