K Jetronic exhaust system running rich.

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  • Nuvo
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Nov 2003
    • 3827

    #1

    K Jetronic exhaust system running rich.

    I have a NG engined 1992 B3 Coupe I'm trying to recomission after years of being layed up.

    Here's a little bit of back ground to set the scene. I had the gearbox out to replace the selector shaft seal. Part of the exhaust of the exhaust system needs to be removed to lower the gearbox down. Ideally only the catalytic converter needs to be removed. I had to remove the downpipe and catalyst together as I didn't want to disturb the flange joint with the donut as the the rotating flange on the downpipe is quite thin and getting it to seal gain would be far from easy.

    So with that out of the way and the gearbox down I split the box and replaced the seal. I got the gearbox back up after a lot a wresting with it. Refitting the downpipe with cat wasn't possible because the flange at the other end of the catalyst is paper thin and couldn't be used.

    Since a genuine catalyst is NLA nor are aftermarket catalysts apart from generic stuff which won't fit out of the box without considerable fabrication.

    The only satisfatory solution I could come up with was to fit an OEM silencer which has the same fitment as the original catalyst it use doesn't have the lambda sensor boss or the same internals. I also fitted a new OE downpipe with gasket and sealing ring.

    When I now run the car it is running rich as you would expect as it is running open loop without a catalyst afterall. The odd thing, to me at least, is that tailpipes now expell a fair amount of water (or steam when cold) on start up. While the rich fueling smell seems is certainly present at the rear of the car, the worst of the smell seems to be coming from the engine bay which is evident from above and below.

    So would the above behaviour be considered normal for the changes made or is there another leak in the system? Because this is a reverse flow head I han't see much of the exhaust manifold to visually check for leaks.
    The car idles okay, and no ticking sounds can be heard from the exhaust manifold.

    Is it worth using a smoke leak detector on the rear tailpipe or is this just something I'll have to accept as a consquence of these parts being replaced?
    The thing is, when I first owned this car it had a silencer instead of a catalyst and I don't remember it running rich back then although this was a long time ago so I can't be absolutely certain.

    If anyone has any direct or related experience of this please share here.

    Edit: the title should actually read "KE3-Jetronic exhaust system running rich" but I can't edit it.

    Thanks in advance,
    Rob.





    Last edited by Nuvo; 18 May 2026, 18:28.
  • Crasher
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Nov 2018
    • 156
    • Country: England

    #2
    Measure the voltage of the lambda output. If it is stuck at 1v, you have an air leak ahead of the sensor which the ECU picks up as being a lean mixture and it adds fuel to compensate. Water from the exhaust is normal.

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    • Nuvo
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Nov 2003
      • 3827

      #3
      Thanks, I will try that.

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      • Nuvo
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Nov 2003
        • 3827

        #4
        Measuring the lambda sensor output voltage isn't possible because the silencer doesn't have a threaded boss to install it.

        The only thing I can think of doing in this situation is to simulate lean or rich condition by either grounding or applying 1V to the sensor wire respectively.

        By simulating a rich condition in this way might get the ECU to lean the mixture and let me see if the emissions smell is reduced. If the rich conditon remains the same then there could be an air leak as suggested, the metering head could also be over fueling too which is an entirely different can of worms I hope I don't have to contend with.

        I'm far from experienced in diagnosing fuel injection systems but this is my reasoning based on the limited knowledge I have.

        I read that the KE3 Jetronic loses it's adaptation settings from volatile RAM when the battery is disconnected I was wondering taking the car out on the road for a test drive would relearn these settings and make the required adjustments to get things running more efficiently or is that only possible when closed loop control is working? I was thinking under open loop conditions it will use preset values to substitute the missing closed loop measurements.

        Maybe I'm overestimating how smart this ancient system actually is. Either way, I'm happy to be corrected by the experts who have a wealth of knowledge and experience in this field.

        Thanks again.

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        • JariP
          S2Forum Enthusiast
          • Jul 2003
          • 193
          • Country: Finland

          #5
          Your just wasting your time trying to get it run good without lambda sensor. Just get a boss welded to the pipe or silencer and make sure there's no air leaks before the sensor.

          Just disconnecting the lambda sensor should put it to some kind of fault mode and that will most likely be the best it will be without lambda connected. That's the way these closed loop systems usually work.

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          • Nuvo
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Nov 2003
            • 3827

            #6
            That's sound advice, I think this would be the best way forward to get things running as they should. Thanks.

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            • Crasher
              S2Forum Enthusiast
              • Nov 2018
              • 156
              • Country: England

              #7
              I didn't notice you were not actually running the sensor, without a remap, an NG will never run well without one.

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