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  • th.b.w.
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Nov 2006
    • 98
    • Country: Germany

    #46
    Hey,

    i have testing an 3b vs 7a EM Cam on anS2 3b with 3071, Wagner short IM, EVO EM, XXL Ic, etc....

    red ist stock 3b, black 7a cam

    You can see in high range the 7a cam is better but no realy low torque less.....


    Thomas
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    • Nik0las
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Mar 2009
      • 1345
      • Country: Bulgaria

      #47
      does engine lose it normal work in low RPM with both 7A cams ?

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      • th.b.w.
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        • Nov 2006
        • 98
        • Country: Germany

        #48
        ...dont know, its only the ex cam install....

        Thomas

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        • K7ERG
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Mar 2004
          • 1711
          • Country: Scotland

          #49
          with the gt3071r 0.63 it is better to stay with stock cams. Or use the exhaust 7a cam? With a street setup 450bhp. . . . . . .
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          • Bram
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Aug 2006
            • 2582
            • Country: Netherlands

            #50
            Originally posted by th.b.w.
            Hey,

            i have testing an 3b vs 7a EM Cam on anS2 3b with 3071, Wagner short IM, EVO EM, XXL Ic, etc....

            red ist stock 3b, black 7a cam

            You can see in high range the 7a cam is better but no realy low torque less.....


            Thomas
            Hi Thomas,

            Interesting results you have. I presume you did the RR test in 3rd gear?

            Did you change anything with the cam timings?

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #51
              Originally posted by K17ERG
              with the gt3071r 0.63 it is better to stay with stock cams. Or use the exhaust 7a cam? With a street setup 450bhp. . . . . . .
              Based on what I've seen / felt with a similar sized 2871R then stock 3B/AAN/ABY cams are just fine for 400-450bhp. I'd say there is some gain to be had with higher lift EX cam like RS2 or 7A but I wouldn't bother with 7A inlet cam unless you wish to get into adjustable camshaft timing.
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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #52
                Actually with 7A EX cam - I'm just seeing the graph at post #46... That smells right to me - a little gain in power at the high revs is apparent there.

                It would be interesting to see similar tests with 7A IN cam - I'd bet the mid range torque is significantly reduced unless adjustable cam timing was employed......
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                • th.b.w.
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                  • Nov 2006
                  • 98
                  • Country: Germany

                  #53
                  Hey Bram,

                  yes 3rd gear, it's original timing, only change the cams.

                  You can look at Meckisforum, more infos with the cams and XXL Intercooler....

                  Have you an RR plot ...


                  Thomas

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                  • Nik0las
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1345
                    • Country: Bulgaria

                    #54
                    Ok why you don't test it with both 7A cams? I'm planning to do so on my AAN with 280hp to se the result. From logical point of view with both 7A cams your going to increase the hp and torque, due to the bigger lift, or not? And what about NM cams they're seems to be a compromise between ADU and 7A.
                    Last edited by Nik0las; 16 April 2009, 12:29.

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                    • Audi_CQ
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 940
                      • Country: Norway

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Nik0las
                      Ok why you don't test it with both 7A cams? I'm planning to do so on my AAN with 280hp to se the result. From logical point of view with both 7A cams your going to increase the hp and torque, due to the bigger lift, or not? And what about NM cams they're seems to be a compromise between ADU and 7A.
                      No use for the 7A inlet with std turbo. You will only loose some low down power and gain nothing at the top because the turbo is the limit, not the inlet cam.

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                      • bogdanclung
                        S2Forum Buff
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 40
                        • Country: Romania

                        #56
                        Hi,

                        I want install "7A cams" on a AAN engine stock, with "turbo 5857", "DTA ecu" and Fully ajustable cams gear.

                        Can anyone tell me what angles to use for cams?

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                        • porkkis
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1994
                          • Country: Finland

                          #57
                          Start with 110-112 peak angles for both and then try out different settings if that's not good.
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                          • bogdanclung
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                            • Jul 2008
                            • 40
                            • Country: Romania

                            #58
                            Originally posted by porkkis
                            Start with 110-112 peak angles for both and then try out different settings if that's not good.
                            Hi,

                            Can you tell me the opening time for 7A cams?

                            Thank you.

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                            • ManiacuV6
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                              • Dec 2009
                              • 458
                              • Country: Romania

                              #59
                              For 7A : Inlet opens 6BTDC Inlet closes 38ATDC Exhaust opens 42 BTDC Exhaust closes 3 BTDC.
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                              • Ugemi
                                S2Forum Hobbyist
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 24
                                • Country: Finland

                                #60
                                This was a good threat to find.
                                I have ported head with 7a cams and both adjustable cam gears. gt3071r atm, but thinking of changing to gtx3076. I´ve started to test different values for the timing(about 2 degrees at the time) and gonna change it a little every night to test it on my way to work. The only problem is, that the test is just on the road with me looking at the gauges..

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