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  • Rob W
    S2Forum Addict
    • Jul 2003
    • 353
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    MAF's

    Just cleaned left my MAF soaking in some Isopropyl,it only has one screen on the inlet side.What is the difference between an S2 & RS2 MAF?
    Rob W
    04 Audi S4 Avant
    55 Merc 220cdi c class estate Family hack.
    92 Audi S2 3b Sadly gone.
    1969 mustang fastback 302. Dry storage
  • Greg_S
    Administrator
    • Jul 2003
    • 12431
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    RS2 MAF has a plastic latice that has bigger holes.

    the S2 maf has metal close nit wire mesh on both ends.

    Greg
    Greg

    S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

    '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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    • Rob W
      S2Forum Addict
      • Jul 2003
      • 353
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Hi Greg cant just the lattice be changed then,obviously it inreases airflow,is there any reason not to replace it with another lattice with slightly bigger gaps?
      Rob W
      04 Audi S4 Avant
      55 Merc 220cdi c class estate Family hack.
      92 Audi S2 3b Sadly gone.
      1969 mustang fastback 302. Dry storage

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      • Beetie
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Oct 2003
        • 1517
        • Country: England

        #4
        Noticed on mine that it is missing the mesh aswell. I was hoping that i could find a mesh to put on.
        When i start my mods, is it best, with the RS2 turbo, etc, to use an RS2 MAF aswell, or is it not critical?
        Was a '93 3B, Dont ask now tho......

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        • SteveH
          Super Moderator
          • Jul 2003
          • 4460
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Guys,

          I'm getting a carbon fibre MAF body next week. It's 10% wider than the standard S2 MAF and should help top end flow. The guy who makes them has done lots of tests and found this is the limit with the standard internals. Any larger than this and you experience problems at idle, due to low air pressure in the MAF body. I'll take some pics of it and let you know how well it's made etc. It will require changes to the ECU mapping and as a result it's not just a straight swap to use it I'll have a chat with Mihnea about it and see whether it's a worthwhile upgrade for higher flowing motors.
          91 Modded 3B
          14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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          • Rob W
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jul 2003
            • 353
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            As far as i can tell both MAF's are the same other than different screen/s,so the RS2 one is less restrictive to airflow than the S2,but is more likely to suck crap into the engine.
            Oh and mine runs smoother since cleaning the MAF,dont know about fuel consumption yet.
            Rob W
            04 Audi S4 Avant
            55 Merc 220cdi c class estate Family hack.
            92 Audi S2 3b Sadly gone.
            1969 mustang fastback 302. Dry storage

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            • Lee
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1512
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              They are probably calibrated for a different range of airflows. Higher flowrates are likely to require a higher current through the wire in some very high flow applications. I altered a resistor when I fitted the RS2 ECU to make it compatible with my ABY MAF. Screens are there to stabilise the airflow not catch crap...your filter should be doing that! The screens are part of the MAF system and removing screens probably change its caracteristics or consitency. MAFs are more than just the hotwire but a bit more than that as they manage the airflow locally around the wire too.
              1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

              Designun Limited....
              Aerospace, Space and Motorsport Design Consultancy and hardware supply.

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              • Rob W
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                • Jul 2003
                • 353
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Thanks for clearing that one up Lee,i was wondering why anyone would pay ££££ to change to nearly the same part,but in essence,they are different
                Rob W
                04 Audi S4 Avant
                55 Merc 220cdi c class estate Family hack.
                92 Audi S2 3b Sadly gone.
                1969 mustang fastback 302. Dry storage

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                • Rob W
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 353
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  So how would adding an RS2 turbo into the equation,affect a standard MAF,would the flow still fall within its parameters?
                  Im just trying to find out how important it would be to change the MAF.
                  Rob W
                  04 Audi S4 Avant
                  55 Merc 220cdi c class estate Family hack.
                  92 Audi S2 3b Sadly gone.
                  1969 mustang fastback 302. Dry storage

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                  • Lee
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1512
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Mihnea's your man for that question. All I know is that if the screens weren't there for functionality then Audi would not have gone to the expense of fitting them. Car manufacturing is a business and the manufacturers get away with as little as possible to get the job done. Everything is engineered to minimal cost for maximised profits..
                    1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

                    Designun Limited....
                    Aerospace, Space and Motorsport Design Consultancy and hardware supply.

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                    • Beetie
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 1517
                      • Country: England

                      #11
                      I just said turbo as a starting point for the mods. Hopefully ill get the EM, intercooler, injectors etc and a remap from mihnea, and one of pauls chips, but wondered whether the standard MAF would alter readings to the ecu....
                      Was a '93 3B, Dont ask now tho......

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                      • audiman
                        S2Forum Freak
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 4827
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Im using my std S2 MAF on my setup with no probs. MAF limit is altered during the mapping period. As some ppl have said the most 'obvious' difference between RS2 and S2 is the screens. Mine is missing a screen. Probably got dragged through a turbo at some point in the cars life Before i got my hands on it.
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                        • Beetie
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 1517
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          I knew it wouldnt really drag s*!£ through it but wondered on its limitations as such. Now i know yours tom is being used with a decent setup whilst standard, its something less i have to change! Although itll probably want cleaning a bit!
                          Was a '93 3B, Dont ask now tho......

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                          • audiman
                            S2Forum Freak
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 4827
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Due to the excessive wear in the bores and the engine breathing heavily it is caking the MAF with oil mist all the time. The thing still works fine but i do clean it every now and then. But it gets ****ty again within 2 weeks. So i have sort of not bothered for a while
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                            Tom C - www.rcmr.co.uk
                            Audi UR Quattro
                            Audi 100 C3 2.0 5 cyl 115ps
                            Audi S2 - 07k engine project aiming for 800ps
                            Audi B5 RS4 645ps 911nm

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                            • Rob W
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 353
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              What mileage you on Tom?
                              Rob W
                              04 Audi S4 Avant
                              55 Merc 220cdi c class estate Family hack.
                              92 Audi S2 3b Sadly gone.
                              1969 mustang fastback 302. Dry storage

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