Wideband, egt or both?

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  • merlin's S4
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jan 2005
    • 1539
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Wideband, egt or both?

    Given the choice, would it be better to be able to measure EGTs or AFRs? Or is the best option really to be able to monitor both? I've had an extra lambda boss welded into the bottom of my downpipe but was wondering whether I should also have an EGT boss put in at the top.
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  • urquattro-island
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    • Mar 2006
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    #2
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    would deffo say both..
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    • EspenW
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Apr 2007
      • 1534
      • Country: Norway

      #3
      Originally posted by merlin's S4
      Given the choice, would it be better to be able to measure EGTs or AFRs? Or is the best option really to be able to monitor both? I've had an extra lambda boss welded into the bottom of my downpipe but was wondering whether I should also have an EGT boss put in at the top.
      If you are going to choose one, it will be the wideband.
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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        Wideband definitely...

        An EGT meter is really only needed by tuners on large turbo setups when they are ensuring EGT values are safe. On a monster turbo install where its mapped to be close to the limit then it would make sense to install an EGT guage.

        As to an EGT boss - there is a point on the factory exhaust where you can install a probe - it was provided there to hook up gas analysing equipment on the 3B engines, but then removed later on... A bolt blanks it off when not in use and its a pretty good location for measuring EGT shortly after exit from turbo.
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        • gedu
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          • Feb 2007
          • 295

          #5
          Ermm. Go for both, there are units that have both in same gauge. EGT is really needed when playing with "small" restricting turbos, because of backpressure caused by those. With Monster sizes you normally see EGT dropping radically, because engine can breath through those monsters quite well
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          • Aurélien
            S2Forum Buff
            • Mar 2009
            • 48
            • Country: France

            #6
            Originally posted by EspenW
            If you are going to choose one, it will be the wideband.
            I think the opposite ...

            WB is usefull when you tune your car .
            But when you drive it ?

            Is it important to know that you're running 11.0 A/F ? Or 12.0 ? Or what you want ?
            It's more important to know that you're casting your turbo ...

            You can running very safe A/F , but having some HIGH egt .

            This is my point of view , as young engine tuner ...

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            • A80Avant
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Sep 2005
              • 10873
              • Country: Greece

              #7
              i opted for an EGT rather than a wideband,because it is more easily looked at and after a good map,you only need to pay attention to it every once and a while.Wideband wont tell you much unless you are tuning and mofiying your car frequently.

              Only now that im going the VEMS route,did i install a wideband bung to use.

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              • EspenW
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Apr 2007
                • 1534
                • Country: Norway

                #8
                Originally posted by Aurélien
                I think the opposite ...

                WB is usefull when you tune your car .
                But when you drive it ?

                Is it important to know that you're running 11.0 A/F ? Or 12.0 ? Or what you want ?
                It's more important to know that you're casting your turbo ...

                You can running very safe A/F , but having some HIGH egt .

                This is my point of view , as young engine tuner ...

                AFR is critical, especially on a turbo car. A dying fuelpump, a clogged filter, clogged injectors, etc can cause a dangerously lean condition and melt pistons or detonate an engine in seconds. EGT is nice to know, but compared to AFR, it is next to worthless if you run a sound setup. On E85, EGT drops by approx 100 degrees C, so it really doesn't come into play much.
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                • Rocco
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 6393
                  • Country: Spain

                  #9
                  i have already mounted and installed the innovatec motorsport wideband runs perfect¡¡ and it is very sensible¡¡

                  go first for it... or for both¡¡


                  I´ve destroyed one 3b head..because one RS2 injectors did not work 100% well and after 50kms my head was holes between the cylinders hole...


                  with a ARR gauge surelly may this kind of problem never goes to destroy the head....
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                  • Aurélien
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                    • Mar 2009
                    • 48
                    • Country: France

                    #10
                    Originally posted by EspenW
                    AFR is critical, especially on a turbo car. A dying fuelpump, a clogged filter, clogged injectors, etc can cause a dangerously lean condition and melt pistons or detonate an engine in seconds. EGT is nice to know, but compared to AFR, it is next to worthless if you run a sound setup. On E85, EGT drops by approx 100 degrees C, so it really doesn't come into play much.
                    Instal knock sensor ...

                    You can run 10.0 AFR and having knock ...

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                    • k.alle
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 801
                      • Country: Sweden

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Aurélien
                      Instal knock sensor ...

                      You can run 10.0 AFR and having knock ...
                      We have 2 knock sensors on the S2 already, why would we benefit from 1 more?
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