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  • s2carlo
    S2Forum Addict
    • Aug 2003
    • 252
    • Country: Netherlands

    #1

    why not?

    I have mounted a cone-filter directly on to the MAF.
    However now it's pointing backwards and there is a large possibility of heatsoak.
    I would like to make it point forward.

    Dahlback has a beautifull 180 degree curve for it (very expensive)
    Some use a hose, easy but mostly no smooth surface giving turbulance.
    Some use piping, that's heavy.

    Why not use PVC piping? It light, smooth surface, all kinds of joints, easy to modify if needed, bad heat conductor?

    Any reasons why this is not used??

    Thanks
    Carlo
    No power, no glory!
    S4 Avant, 2003, K&N-filter, 18", RNS-E, enough audio
  • s2driveruk
    Super Moderator
    • Jul 2003
    • 12696
    • Country: England

    #2
    I'd be very interested in what you manage to find as mine is the same at the moment and I am not happy with the location but I haven't found a decent solution to change the location so that it looks forward ..

    David
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    1992 3b S2 Coupe

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    • s2carlo
      S2Forum Addict
      • Aug 2003
      • 252
      • Country: Netherlands

      #3
      Well, as no one seems to have an opion or experience I descided to try it.
      Untill now it work perfectly.
      I used 2 PVC 90 degree bents, diameter 75mm, and some connection material

      The pipes stay nice and cool, even after a firm drive.
      The suction- and blow-off sounds are nice.
      It is a low cost solution (25 euro excl. the filter)

      The filter I am using also has "suctionarea"on the inside. I also have tubing to bring cool air from under the bumper strait into the filter which creates a kind of ram-air intake.

      Below some pictures of the current status


      Originally posted by s2carlo
      I have mounted a cone-filter directly on to the MAF.
      However now it's pointing backwards and there is a large possibility of heatsoak.
      I would like to make it point forward.

      Dahlback has a beautifull 180 degree curve for it (very expensive)
      Some use a hose, easy but mostly no smooth surface giving turbulance.
      Some use piping, that's heavy.

      Why not use PVC piping? It light, smooth surface, all kinds of joints, easy to modify if needed, bad heat conductor?

      Any reasons why this is not used??

      Thanks
      Carlo
      Attached Files
      No power, no glory!
      S4 Avant, 2003, K&N-filter, 18", RNS-E, enough audio

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      • s2carlo
        S2Forum Addict
        • Aug 2003
        • 252
        • Country: Netherlands

        #4
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        Originally posted by s2carlo
        Well, as no one seems to have an opion or experience I descided to try it.
        Untill now it work perfectly.
        I used 2 PVC 90 degree bents, diameter 75mm, and some connection material

        The pipes stay nice and cool, even after a firm drive.
        The suction- and blow-off sounds are nice.
        It is a low cost solution (25 euro excl. the filter)

        The filter I am using also has "suctionarea"on the inside. I also have tubing to bring cool air from under the bumper strait into the filter which creates a kind of ram-air intake.

        Below some pictures of the current status
        Attached Files
        No power, no glory!
        S4 Avant, 2003, K&N-filter, 18", RNS-E, enough audio

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        • A6 AVANT
          S2Forum Addict
          • Nov 2003
          • 321
          • Country: United States

          #5
          Excellent!! looks like a few people making a trip to Travis Perkins for some black plastic drain pipe!!!
          A6 Avant Tdi 110 because as the fuel prices keep going up I am so happy to be getting 649.8 miles to a tank of diesel!! (£50)

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          • Greg_S
            Administrator
            • Jul 2003
            • 12431
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            I had thought about doing something like that, wasnt sure how well it would work though.

            Greg
            Greg

            S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

            '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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            • Sweeper
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1317
              • Country: Latvia

              #7
              s2carlo: excelent work ! basicly it look's the same as dahlback item apart that your shield is better. It covers maf and MAF-Turbo house that also need heat protection.

              Once again great work.

              P.S. Guys , why I'm having "brrr brrrr brrrr" noice coming from the filter box place after instaling the same system on gear changes and clutch pedal pushing as on the picture ? Any thought ?
              Vadim.

              New engine (mechanical PKM head) , Alcon 332mm brakes , Pauter rods , Mahle pistons, GT30R , kw v2 sucpension , new exhaust. 608HP. For SALE !

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              • GandalfS6
                S2Forum Addict
                • Jan 2004
                • 332
                • Country: South Africa

                #8
                Originally posted by Sweeper
                s2carlo: excelent work ! basicly it look's the same as dahlback item apart that your shield is better. It covers maf and MAF-Turbo house that also need heat protection.

                Once again great work.

                P.S. Guys , why I'm having "brrr brrrr brrrr" noice coming from the filter box place after instaling the same system on gear changes and clutch pedal pushing as on the picture ? Any thought ?
                Sweeper - I wondered about the same noise with my cone filter , but I think I have figured it out. As you lift off the throttle, the DV releases boost into the MAF to Tubo hose. If there is a lot of air being released it would blow back through the filter. It is difficult for the air to blow back through a filter box but very easy with just a cone filter. With a stock filter box you would not hear the sound as much as with a cone filter. I get the idea that the cone filter almost amplifies the sound.
                1995 Silver S2 (ADU) Coupe
                2006 Porsche 997 Carrera S
                2006 Misano Red RS4
                2004 VW Touareg V8
                2007 Golf Mk1 Race Car
                2004 Mercedes Benz Vito 112CD

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                • GandalfS6
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 332
                  • Country: South Africa

                  #9
                  PS Carlo - nice work!
                  1995 Silver S2 (ADU) Coupe
                  2006 Porsche 997 Carrera S
                  2006 Misano Red RS4
                  2004 VW Touareg V8
                  2007 Golf Mk1 Race Car
                  2004 Mercedes Benz Vito 112CD

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                  • s2carlo
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 252
                    • Country: Netherlands

                    #10
                    I have the same sound.
                    It occurs if no longer power is requered. It's more clear if the turbopressure has been up and then dropped by the ECU.

                    It's one of the nice things of driving with a cone filter.
                    Outside you hear a whoooeeessshhh sound . People turn their heads on it on a regular basis.

                    From what I am told Gandalf is correct on his analyses about the cause of the sound.

                    Originally posted by GandalfS6
                    Sweeper - I wondered about the same noise with my cone filter , but I think I have figured it out. As you lift off the throttle, the DV releases boost into the MAF to Tubo hose. If there is a lot of air being released it would blow back through the filter. It is difficult for the air to blow back through a filter box but very easy with just a cone filter. With a stock filter box you would not hear the sound as much as with a cone filter. I get the idea that the cone filter almost amplifies the sound.
                    No power, no glory!
                    S4 Avant, 2003, K&N-filter, 18", RNS-E, enough audio

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                    • DAVIDP20V
                      S2Forum Enthusiast
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 165

                      #11
                      had a go with my car today, using the black pvc tubing, just got to make a heat shield, post pic 2mora.

                      sounds very nice
                      DAVIDP20V - 95' Polar Silver RS2 standard 315 bhp, forge diverter valve, Mark H mod and boost gauge..... and shes for sale.

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                      • horvathg
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 556

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sweeper
                        s2carlo: excelent work ! basicly it look's the same as dahlback item apart that your shield is better. It covers maf and MAF-Turbo house that also need heat protection.

                        Once again great work.

                        P.S. Guys , why I'm having "brrr brrrr brrrr" noice coming from the filter box place after instaling the same system on gear changes and clutch pedal pushing as on the picture ? Any thought ?
                        Sweeper,

                        I had a similar noise, just to find that the dump valve was faulty. The forum suggested to swap for an S3 dv and its gone since.
                        Gabor

                        96 ABY coupe full except sunroof. With Porsche big red brakes, remapped ECU, xenon lights, RS2 MAF

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                        • horvathg
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 556

                          #13
                          Originally posted by horvathg
                          Sweeper,

                          I had a similar noise, just to find that the dump valve was faulty. The forum suggested to swap for an S3 dv and its gone since.
                          And lets distinguish the wsssshhhhhh sound of the healthy DV from the brlbrlbrl of the worn out one. The difference is clear once you've heard both.
                          Gabor

                          96 ABY coupe full except sunroof. With Porsche big red brakes, remapped ECU, xenon lights, RS2 MAF

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                          • Billman
                            S2Forum Freak
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 4129

                            #14
                            Can someone post some wave files with these DV noises? Mine sounds like a Horse!!!
                            Go Holset or Go RS4

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                            • Mihnea
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1288
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                              #15
                              Great job Carlo, good to hear from you again

                              Mihnea
                              '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

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