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  • UrS4boy
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    • Feb 2006
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    • Country: Canada

    #1

    OE 3B S2, AAN, ABY and ADU Exhaust Components

    Tired of searching for individual exhaust system components. Time to consolidate info:

    The exhaust system starts at the head, with its five exhaust ports (note location and number of the exhaust manifold studs, there are 16, one is hidden):


    Photo courtesy of Tom S. of RS2 America fame

    The exhaust manifold to head studs are Item 9 in this diagram:



    The OE 3B, AAN and ABY manifold and gaskets:



    The OE 3B, AAN and ABY Manifold has runners from Cylinders 1 and 5 that rise up to connect to the EM just under the WG flange. This is not good for flow and may be a cause for burning exhaust valves on 1 and 5 when adding a chips set, e.g. MTM Stage 1+ without changing the EM for an upgraded unit, e.g. RS2 manifold:


    Photo courtesy of Tom S. of RS2 America fame

    Here is a photo that shows the RS2 EM on top and the OE AAN (and 3B and ABY) EM on the bottom to show the difference in the way cylinders 1 and 5 are handled:


    Photo courtesy of GoHeels on Audiworld

    Here are some OE AAN (and ABY) EM flow numbers courtesy of 034:



    The RS2 Exhaust manifold is much flatter and eliminates the two separate runners from Cylinders 1 and 5. This is a serious upgrade from the OE AAN exhaust manifold.




    RS2 EM Flow photo courtesy of 034

    RS2 EM PNs:



    Installation of an RS2 manifold requires some studs to be shortened:



    Other options include the Wagner/034 RS2 HO manifold and a cast log manifold from STR. Beware that all of the aftermarket OE manifolds including the RS2, the Wagner EMs and even the STR manifolds have been copied and are out there on eBay to catch the unware.

    The Wagner/034 RS2 HO manifold:


    Photo courtesy of 034

    An STR cast log EM:



    The AAN exhaust system after the exhaust manifold includes the WG dump pipe connection and a down pipe that starts out as a single pope but splits as a "Y" and goes to the two catalytic converters(Note: The "Y" portion of the downpipe comes with a metal insulation cover when new. By now, most of these have corroded and fallen off, at least partially. Common source of rattle). Here is the C4 front exhaust details:



    Here is the 3B S2 equivalent:



    Here is the ABY S2 equivalent:



    Here is the RS2 equivalent (note: the down pipe is bigger than the ABY in the A80Q chassis):



    Here is a photo of Dan T's (Ringbearer's) old OE AAN downpipe "Y" and catalytic converters showing the last reminant of the OE insulation cover:



    Here is some C4 AAN middle and final exhaust system info:





    Here is one photo of the stock C4 AAN exhaust system:


    Photo courtesy of Dustovich in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

    REF for flow numbers: Exhaust Manifold Flow Numbers courtesy of 034.

    Thanks to those not named who posted up the photos and diagrams used in this post.
    Last edited by UrS4boy; 26 October 2012, 01:09.
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  • S2 EDS
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    • Feb 2011
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    #2
    Awesome Thread!
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    • UrS4boy
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      • Feb 2006
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      #3
      Originally posted by S2 EDS
      Awesome Thread!
      Thanks. I already had it done for the AAN. I just had to search out some 3B and ABY and ADU diagrams to make it worthwhile to post here. Should be a good reference when looking for studs, etc and how EMs perform. No new info, just a consolidation of info already out there.
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      • macspring
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        • Mar 2005
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        #4
        Dave,

        Originally posted by S2 EDS
        Awesome Thread!
        As always.





        The photos make it.

        Thanks for posting here.

        Kind regards.

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        • Wheeljack
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          • May 2005
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          #5
          Hey, I see my countertop...and just for additional info, the early STR manifold needs some massaging to clear the OEM wastegate...BTDT.

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          • UrS4boy
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            • Feb 2006
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            #6
            Originally posted by Wheeljack
            Hey, I see my countertop...and just for additional info, the early STR manifold needs some massaging to clear the OEM wastegate...BTDT.
            Is the OE AAN exhaust system your photo? Want the credit? Say the word.
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            • Christophski
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              • Mar 2009
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              #7
              Thank you for the info. Really really helpful at the mo for me You are a true gent!

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              • UrS4boy
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                • Feb 2006
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                #8
                Originally posted by Christophski
                Thank you for the info. Really really helpful at the mo for me You are a true gent!
                No problemo. Happy to help.
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                • mcandmar
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                  • Apr 2004
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                  #9
                  Good stuff, i might have some pics of an S2 exhaust system to add to your collection. Should have some for cat bypass pipes and the 7A system if you want em too.
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                  • UrS4boy
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                    • Feb 2006
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mcandmar
                    Good stuff, i might have some pics of an S2 exhaust system to add to your collection. Should have some for cat bypass pipes and the 7A system if you want em too.
                    Bring 'em on. This thread is for *this* Forum.
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                    • europeanme
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                      • Oct 2005
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                      #11
                      fancy alternatives to the stock exhaust manifold in stainless steel?....

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                      • UrS4boy
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by europeanme
                        fancy alternatives to the stock exhaust manifold in stainless steel?....
                        No thanks. I only included the Wagner and the STR info as a comparison to the OE RS2 EM. I don't want to make this an omnibus exhaust option thread. But hey, Mike, you can start a new one?
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                        • prj
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                          • Mar 2010
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                          #13
                          Btw, the valves burn out because of the mapping, not so because of the manifold.
                          That chipset (MTM 1+) is way too lean imo, lots of knock on that. I've tried it on my UrS6 back when it was stock and was not happy at all with the results... EGTs very really high and the knock control was working over time.
                          Basically I think it would take race gas to run that chipset knock free. But I agree the manifold is suboptimal as well. This is why switching to the RS2 item you gain 100-200 rpm spoolup.
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                          • K Simmonds
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                            • Dec 2007
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                            #14
                            Probably worth mentioning that there are various replica RS2 manifolds on sale new, can be found on eBay ect. These seem to vary in quality (both material and casting/machining), from poor to pretty good. Seen some with dreadful casting and shoddy machine work whilst's there's others that are very nearly as good as the OE item in this regard. It's impossible to comment on the quality of material without expensive testing or how long a manifold survives in service.

                            A couple of years ago I purchased a manifold from a seller on German eBay that was listed as 100% genuine. I have to say I doubt that it's genuine, but the casting and machining is excellent, it's only had a few hours use so I have no idea how long it will last.

                            Pic's of my manifold in this thread.

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                            • UrS4boy
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                              #15
                              Thanks. I did say "Beware that all of the aftermarket OE manifolds including the RS2, the Wagner EMs and even the STR manifolds have been copied and are out there on eBay to catch the unware."
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