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  • gavs20v
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Sep 2004
    • 3057
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    urs4 seperate wategate exhaust

    Probably a dafy quaetion
    Im looking at getting a 3" turbo back exhaust made up in the next month or so for my 93 urs4 avant. Advice on another thread suggested a seperate wastegate pipe. Would ther be any detrimental effect routing it all the way to the rear of the car instead of exiting out the side towards the front of the car? Id like to keep the anonymity of my slipperwagon as much as possible so was think of having two pairs of twin at the rear similar to the rs4.
    Any suggestion?
    Cheers
    Gav
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  • Lee
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
    • 1512
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Route it to the rear of the car....it will be quieter but you will still get a flame show! The blue RS-R avant routed it quite neatly to the rear and it was very discreet. I am sure someone here has a linky.
    1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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    • Mark Halligan
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Jul 2003
      • 2001
      • Country: England

      #3
      Originally posted by Lee
      Route it to the rear of the car....it will be quieter but you will still get a flame show! The blue RS-R avant routed it quite neatly to the rear and it was very discreet. I am sure someone here has a linky.

      Here is the Dahlback one, very nicely done.
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      • Lee
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jul 2003
        • 1512
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Thats the one. Cheers Mark.
        1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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        • NoNonsense
          Forum Sponsor
          • Apr 2004
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          • Home: Italy Current: United States

          #5
          Is there a true advantage to giving the wastegate it's own pipe to the rear? Should one have a cat or any silencers on this pipe?
          Joe "NoNonsense"
          axis motorsport
          joe@axismotorsport.com

          "At the end of the game, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."

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          • 4WheelDrifter
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Oct 2004
            • 5773
            • Country: Devon

            #6
            A bit more stealth. I thought about this. I guess you'd need a Cat in CA. I'm not sure you'd need a silencer though. Probably depends on personal taste about noise levels. Obviously it would only make a noise at/near full boost.
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            • Lee
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1512
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              The amount of Flow Tom was getting through his wastegate at the RR was unbelievable. Actually, it highlighted the need for a better EM design than most of the tubular ones I have seen. The reason for the pipe in the photo above on the Blue avant was that they estimated they would need at least a 4" downpipe to handle total engine exhaust gas flow at high revs. The separate pipe helps the situation here. Most turbocharged race cars have a separate pipe too.
              1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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              • 4WheelDrifter
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Oct 2004
                • 5773
                • Country: Devon

                #8
                Somebody here tried to tell me that the wastegate just releases a bit of pressure in the EM.
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                • Lee
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1512
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Wasteagte flows all gasses that the ECU doesn't want to go through the turbo. The amount of gas flowing depends on the turbo selection and required turbo operating regime. With a monster turbo the WG will flow lots of gas if the top end boost is going to be kept low-ish.
                  1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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                  • 4WheelDrifter
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 5773
                    • Country: Devon

                    #10
                    I'm looking at doing a EM with 5 separate runners to a more remote wastegate. It might be a bit overkill for a stock K24, but i've got enough stainless buddies around me. I though it might be fun to give it a go. T'is damn tight for space in the ol' S2!
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                    • Lee
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1512
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Take the airbox out and there is loads of room.
                      1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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                      • Lee
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1512
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Also, you probably want the wastegate as close to the turbo flange as possible. All gases, either going through the turbo or wastegate, needs a design to minimise kinetic energy loss.
                        1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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                        • NoNonsense
                          Forum Sponsor
                          • Apr 2004
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Lee
                          The amount of Flow Tom was getting through his wastegate at the RR was unbelievable. Actually, it highlighted the need for a better EM design than most of the tubular ones I have seen. The reason for the pipe in the photo above on the Blue avant was that they estimated they would need at least a 4" downpipe to handle total engine exhaust gas flow at high revs. The separate pipe helps the situation here. Most turbocharged race cars have a separate pipe too.
                          In some thread, Minhea recommended a 3.5" turbo-back...wouldn't that be enough? Or is a 3.0" and a separate wastegate pipe better?
                          Joe "NoNonsense"
                          axis motorsport
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                          "At the end of the game, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."

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                          • Lee
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1512
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            You can fit a 3.5" turbo back on a URS4 but on an S2 the subframe location means that it is easier to fit a 3" plus a 1.5" to 2" WG pipe.
                            1995 S2 Avant with some upgrades

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                            • 4WheelDrifter
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 5773
                              • Country: Devon

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lee
                              Also, you probably want the wastegate as close to the turbo flange as possible. All gases, either going through the turbo or wastegate, needs a design to minimise kinetic energy loss.
                              It's back to the old question of do you lag the EM or not.
                              I not sure it would be a pretty looking thing. I was thinking of taking the wastegate headers from near the head, and making them a similar length to the ones that go to the turbo flange. A sort of Y on each of the exhaust ports. I'm not sure how easy it would be to create equal length, free flowing design on all ten pipes.
                              I haven't got hold of any CAD software yet. I'm more into model making at the moment.
                              SS

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