Best Speakers (rear)

[bob69]

Hi All,

What are the best speakers to replace the rear set with? i have now got a set of mb quarts for the front and want to upgrade the rears - looking for something that puts out lots of bass. :mischeif:
Cheers.

[Bibby]

You won't get lots of bass out of components or coaxials.

Ideally you need a subwoofer for sub-bass.

If it's not an option, then look at the Genesis 6x9 subs or a pair of dedicated midbass drivers (have a look here). Either way, you won't get the best out of them unless you use an external amplifier.

[Fat Audi 80]

Jamo has 6x9's behind his rear panels...

Personally I have left the standard ones in the back (I never sit in the back ) and I have a 10" sub in the boot which more than makes up for the lack of bass from the rear speakers.

HTH

Cheers,

Steve.

[Ski]

I got some sonys X's in the rear, they pretty big but forgot the size, this and also base tube does the trick for me.

[Jamo]

True but i've got 11 (or 13 if you count it correctly) speakers in my car!

Need a bigger sub though, thought about a 15" but i'll get a new 12" soon enough.

Built a new p.c. so skint, car will have too wait!

[S2 Ant]

Why do u want a bigger sub?? Bigger doesnt necessarily mean better...

Try getting a Kicker Solobaric... square sub, they are very very powerful and still only 10" or upward.... if u fork out for a good one then u dnt need a big one at all, plus these use small boxes compared to normal subs.

If you've not seen one running then try to before buying anything cos i wuold highly rate them and they wont eat up too much boot space, which on the S2 is a v gd thing!!

[Jamo]

When i say bigger, i mean the RMS value, my currenty sub is a single voice coil and i want a dual voice coil as the bass is smoother and less boomy (why i prefer sealed over ported)

I actually prefer a 10" sub to the 12" but the 12" is more versatile with various music reproduction.

[Rusty]

Don't change the rears before you get a sub. They won't produce bass as they're only 5.25" and so run out of area and excursion at about 50hz minimum. You will rarely hear them as they produce 'directional sound' and the back of your head doesn't hear too well! If you want any bass worth talking about then get a sub as this moves much more air and can be placed in any direction and still filter through the cabin as it produces a much more powerful, less directional sound wave. With the correct porting of the enclosure you can get very good performance out of a 10". I'd recommend either VIBE or a sealed 12 in the manufacturers recommended enclosure but the boot of a coupe is too small to mount it vertically... Some people have removed the spare and filled the space with a sub and amp which is neat but useless wgen you get a flat!

With a little knowledge and patience you could build a sub system from a well known auction site for very little money. I recently bought a £150 speaker for £38 delivered! Job done.

Cheers

Andy

[Stick Insect]

[QUOTE=S2 Ant] Bigger doesnt necessarily mean better... QUOTE]

I'm 6 foot six tall and I'd argue

Wilmslow Audio used to do a great kit for a coffee table sub-bass unit, the unit was very small but weighed a ton!! the two small but meaty speakers were wired in anti phase and pointed into one another. The box ( cabinet) was sealed and they really did do some justice. The bass was good ( not excessive). The bass was sharp and tight and didn't sound like a whale with flatulence!

A similar unit could be cooked up I'm sure for the S2. The side panels have a good volumetric capacity and may provide some dividends. If you want a sound off/ SPL machine the S2 coupe isn't a good place to start! Start with a Smart car instead!

David

[bob69]

Cheers lads i'll probably go for mid/bass drivers as i don't want to vibrate the road underneath me and just use the fader to turn them up to hear them in the front.

[horvathg]

[QUOTE=Stick Insect]

Bigger doesnt necessarily mean better... QUOTE]

I'm 6 foot six tall and I'd argue

Wilmslow Audio used to do a great kit for a coffee table sub-bass unit, the unit was very small but weighed a ton!! the two small but meaty speakers were wired in anti phase and pointed into one another. The box ( cabinet) was sealed and they really did do some justice. The bass was good ( not excessive). The bass was sharp and tight and didn't sound like a whale with flatulence!

A similar unit could be cooked up I'm sure for the S2. The side panels have a good volumetric capacity and may provide some dividends. If you want a sound off/ SPL machine the S2 coupe isn't a good place to start! Start with a Smart car instead!

David

I replaced the rear sidepanel speakers with the best Focal kit available, called Utopia 130. It made no difference at all in bass. How could it have....Of course treble improved considerably but you don't rely on rears for treble in a car. Apart from the sub box in the trunk I am trying nowThis: the ski sack I removed and implanted a piece of laminated wood which now holds two 5" Focal kickbass drivers directed directly into the cabin. When on longer journey and thus in need of trunkspace, I remove the bassbox and replug the cables into the skisack basspanel. I can say it's better than nothing. For resonance space it utilizes the trunk space, which is of course a non controlled air volume but than again, it takes no space from the small trunk, cause one thing I've learned so far: the bigger your bass box becomes, the closer you are to a divorce...........

[Bibby]

When i say bigger, i mean the RMS value, my currenty sub is a single voice coil and i want a dual voice coil as the bass is smoother and less boomy (why i prefer sealed over ported)

I actually prefer a 10" sub to the 12" but the 12" is more versatile with various music reproduction.

Voicecoil configuration makes no difference.

As for enclosure designs, ported one's aren't more boomy, it's usually the other way around. Besides, you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between a sealed and ported enclosure for a particular driver if designed properly.

If you're at ADI this Saturday we can discuss further if you like. You're welcome to have a listen to my car.

[Greg_S]

If your after punch bass steer clear of Vibe, had one a while back and very deep but not all that controlled. Best bet is a small sealed box with a decent sub and amp combo. Personally would go for a 10" sealed box with a decent amp to drive it.

Ported enclosures are usually tuned around one frequency and will tend to be loudest at this point, Bandpass box's are a bit more complicated and as the name suggests are designed to accentuate a wider range of frequnecies.

this might help you

http://members.lycos.co.uk/efmax/boxdesign_explained.htm

http://www.x-bb.org/~efmax/box.htm

http://www.autoleads.co.uk/technical_dept/assist_kicker_type.asp

[Bibby]

IBest bet is a small sealed box with a decent sub and amp combo. Personally would go for a 10" sealed box with a decent amp to drive it.

Ported enclosures are usually tuned around one frequency and will tend to be loudest at this point

A 4th order does have a single tuning frequency but will not necessarily peak at that. You have to take in the transfer function of the car into account too. You can also design it with a very level response curve.

You can get "punchy" bass out of any size driver. It all depends on the application.

[Greg_S]

This is very true. So many variables are involved with these sort of things.