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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #16
    Smells like excessive toe then...
    Paul Nugent
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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      Originally posted by S2central.net
      Smells like excessive toe then...
      You want to be a little careful admitting to sniffing toe, especially of the Camel variety
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • Error404
        Super Moderator
        • Mar 2007
        • 19789
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
        Indigo ABY coupé
        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #19
          Easy tiger...
          Paul Nugent
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          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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          • johne
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Apr 2007
            • 1405
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Been in the same position - it's toe.

            The clue was in the fact you had to recentre the steering wheel after you'd done the work

            Not had to try it on the S2 but on other cars I've been pretty sucessful getting toe close enough to get to the alignment centre using a couple of 2m long lengths of straight "3x3" each one resting against the centreline of each front wheel sticking out parallel in front of the car and measuring the difference in distance close to and far away from the car.

            John

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #21
              Yes - guilty (and lazy) as charged... It felt close enough while driving - but at least I've destroyed two of those kak Avon tyres... I just dont want to destroy my nice winter tyres.

              I'll get a front wheel alignment done then - I'll try to get maximum permissible toe out and the wheel centred properly. It does turn in nicely at the moment - something I attributed entirely to new front bushes and top mounts.

              The front wheels need rebalanced as well - shakes like a bad un' between 70-80mph... Thats my excuse for higher motorway speeds at least... Sorry officer - I had to drive through the vibrations for greater safety and comfort.

              Damn car... Still not all bad - it left a couple of skanky looking Mercs for dead in traffic today when they tried to exert some form of road presence on me by thinking my shiddy looking old Audi would be squeezed out. Hahah - losers... Smell the torque !
              Paul Nugent
              Webmaster http://S2central.net
              Administrator http://S2forum.com

              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #22
                So - I'm confused again...

                Looked up the front alignment specs which declare Overall Toe of +10' +/- 10'
                Thats toe IN.

                I scoured some internet sites on the subject of how toe settings can affect tyre wear and handling. A few (like the one below) state that Toe OUT is better on FWD cars and Toe IN is better for RWD... Due to how the angles change whilst moving - especially the driven axle.

                http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...e.jsp?techid=4

                So for 4WD like ours which is essentially FWD biased I'd have expected Toe OUT... Has Audi been deliberately safe on this with a Toe-IN setting at the front which gives a stronger understeer bias ?

                When I get the wheels aligned I'll check the toe settings first, but the compromise I am thinking of is 0 degrees toe at the front... That gets me in spec as far as Herr Audi is concerned for safety & tyre wear but I should get some Toe OUT by way of driven front axle when I'm moving. Right ?

                Paul
                Paul Nugent
                Webmaster http://S2central.net
                Administrator http://S2forum.com

                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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                • Keeper of The Kitten
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 2317
                  • Country: England

                  #23
                  As far as I was aware the setting is 0?

                  +/- 10' is only one sixth of a degree either way.

                  It is meant to be straight ahead?
                  Martin Cutting

                  aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                  It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                  • Keeper of The Kitten
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 2317
                    • Country: England

                    #24
                    Oh and in theory the toe setting isn't really going to be affected by the driven wheels pulling forwards, that's a bit of a red herring in my opinion. If the wheels are pulling forwards due to slack in the joints I'd expect toe in to occur but really, the track rods and ball joints should be a lot tighter than that!
                    Martin Cutting

                    aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                    It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                    • S2central.net
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 16590
                      • Country: Northern Ireland

                      #25
                      Right then - I'll aim for zero toe then... But any view on how much toe out would be excessive for tyre wear ?
                      Paul Nugent
                      Webmaster http://S2central.net
                      Administrator http://S2forum.com

                      1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                      Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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                      • Keeper of The Kitten
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 2317
                        • Country: England

                        #26
                        Something you need to carry out testing on really ....it will vary depending on the size of tyre, the hardness of the compound, the tyre pressure, all sorts of things.
                        Martin Cutting

                        aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                        It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                        • Keeper of The Kitten
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 2317
                          • Country: England

                          #27
                          (And if you want to run toe out for better turn-in, you can still swap the front tyres onto the back periodically! I'd suggest you might even consider dialing in a little toe-in at the rear if you have a tail-happy setup)
                          Martin Cutting

                          aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                          It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                          • stiglet
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 1264
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            10' is nothing. It's supposed to be zero or nigh enough. Mine is set to zero and feels good, perhaps a little more toe out. I would advise against going past 30'.

                            I would also say, considering the rubber bushes on the inner end of the tie rods, there is considerable deflection under braking and accel, so bear this in mind.

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                            • Keeper of The Kitten
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 2317
                              • Country: England

                              #29
                              Hmmm something else to swap for stiffer fittings!

                              And yes 10' is one sixth of a degree.
                              Martin Cutting

                              aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                              It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                              • stiglet
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • Aug 2007
                                • 1264
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #30
                                When I took mine off they were b*lloxed, which is why I now have the 034 tie rods with inner heim joints. Will be interested to see what difference it makes but i'm guessing it will be more sensitive to toe settings.

                                Paul, let us know what toe setting you go with and how it feels. Saves me experimenting

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