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  • Keeper of The Kitten
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Dec 2003
    • 2317
    • Country: England

    #16
    Ah that explains it ...and speaking of ECP, I hear on the grapevine that they've just been bought by an American individual or firm ...hopefully this won't be to the detriment of the parts availability.
    Martin Cutting

    aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

    It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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    • mcandmar
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Apr 2004
      • 5118
      • Country: Ireland

      #17
      If it were me i would only fit poly bushings, superflex or powerflex whatever you can get your hands on. Original bushings dont last more than a few months for me, mainly due to our roads.

      I bought my balljoints from Pete, think they were Lemforder. Note the cast a-arm ball joint is NOT the same as a pressed a-arm, dont mix them up.
      91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
      93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
      94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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      • epic
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jun 2007
        • 1317
        • Country: England

        #18

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        • Error404
          Super Moderator
          • Mar 2007
          • 19789
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Originally posted by mcandmar
          If it were me i would only fit poly bushings, superflex or powerflex whatever you can get your hands on. Original bushings dont last more than a few months for me, mainly due to our roads.

          I bought my balljoints from Pete, think they were Lemforder. Note the cast a-arm ball joint is NOT the same as a pressed a-arm, dont mix them up.
          Whats is the difference? I have used ball joints from my old pressed arms on my forged wishbones no problems
          Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
          Indigo ABY coupé
          Imola B6 S4 Avant

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          • benntenn67
            S2Forum Maniac
            • Jun 2009
            • 859
            • Country: England

            #20
            wishbones

            Cast arms have different bushes to the pressed arms - the ball joints are the same though - It's a job that you can tackle yourself at home
            I wouldn't bother with OEM bushes, for longevity, go for some of these,



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            • mcandmar
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Apr 2004
              • 5118
              • Country: Ireland

              #21
              Ill see can i dig out a few old ones and snap a pic, from memory the main difference is the location of the mounting flange \ height of the balljoint. If you think about it on pressed arms the flange sits in the middle or centerline or the a-arm, with the forged arms the flange is bolted on the bottom. A friend did the same using pressed balljoints on a solid arm but i immediately spotted it when i looked under the car, the difference was that obvious.

              Part Numbers are,

              895 407 365 A Forged Left
              895 407 366 A Forged Right

              8A0 407 365 Pressed Left
              8A0 407 366 Pressed Right
              91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
              93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
              94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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              • macspring
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2005
                • 6371
                • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                #22
                Originally posted by mcandmar
                Ill see can i dig out a few old ones and snap a pic, from memory the main difference is the location of the mounting flange \ height of the balljoint. If you think about it on pressed arms the flange sits in the middle or centerline or the a-arm, with the forged arms the flange is bolted on the bottom. A friend did the same using pressed balljoints on a solid arm but i immediately spotted it when i looked under the car, the difference was that obvious.

                Part Numbers are,

                895 407 365 A Forged Left
                895 407 366 A Forged Right

                8A0 407 365 Pressed Left
                8A0 407 366 Pressed Right



                Mark,



                Error,



                Benntenn67,










                I'll get my coat.

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                • andy10v
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 5996
                  • Country: Scotland

                  #23
                  Why did they decline to fit the engine mount? It is not a fun job but not impossible by any means.

                  Regarding the ball joints, do they mount fine on the "wrong" arms? Could they be used for better arm position on lowered cars by swapping them over?
                  Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                  Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                  Sold ABY-stock

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                  • Error404
                    Super Moderator
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 19789
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Originally posted by mcandmar
                    Ill see can i dig out a few old ones and snap a pic, from memory the main difference is the location of the mounting flange \ height of the balljoint. If you think about it on pressed arms the flange sits in the middle or centerline or the a-arm, with the forged arms the flange is bolted on the bottom. A friend did the same using pressed balljoints on a solid arm but i immediately spotted it when i looked under the car, the difference was that obvious.

                    Part Numbers are,

                    895 407 365 A Forged Left
                    895 407 366 A Forged Right

                    8A0 407 365 Pressed Left
                    8A0 407 366 Pressed Right
                    interesting, never noticed any difference, but then maybe I've never seen the two different types

                    Be keen to see some pics if you have some Mark?

                    If the 8A0 joints are "taller" then using them on a forged arm you are effectively increasing the length of the McStrut so on a lowered car you're raising the roll centre in relation the CoG and reducing body roll - so David -
                    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                    Indigo ABY coupé
                    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                    • macspring
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 6371
                      • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Error404
                      interesting, never noticed any difference, but then maybe I've never seen the two different types

                      Be keen to see some pics if you have some Mark?

                      If the 8A0 joints are "taller" then using them on a forged arm you are effectively increasing the length of the McStrut so on a lowered car you're raising the roll centre in relation the CoG and reducing body roll - so David -
                      Error, nice try, but no recovery.




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                      • Error404
                        Super Moderator
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 19789
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                        Indigo ABY coupé
                        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                        • macspring
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 6371
                          • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                          #27
                          Error,

                          Don't worry, I still respect you.


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                          • Error404
                            Super Moderator
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 19789
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Phew! Suicide aborted!
                            Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                            Indigo ABY coupé
                            Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                            • macspring
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 6371
                              • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                              #29
                              Good one.

                              Well between the two of us we've well and truly hijacked Ross' thread.

                              Hope he gets to ADI.

                              Kind regards.

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