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  • 90quattrocoupe
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Nov 2003
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    • Country: United States

    #1

    Torque values on hub carriers

    I purchased 95 hubcarriers from someone breaking a car on this forum. The carriers use 14mm instead of the 12mm bolts, on my 90 coupe, to hold the carrier to the strut. My bentley does not have a value for these bolts. Does anyone with a 93 to 95 have a torque value for these bolts? I want to make sure I don't have one come off.

    Greg
    They can have my car when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel.
  • audiman
    S2Forum Freak
    • Jul 2003
    • 4827
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Never torqued mine up, just do them up FT. (fooking tight) never had one come undone even after hard road/track use
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    • audiman
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      • Jul 2003
      • 4827
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      #3
      I found this, which applies to a V6 A.80 so i dont know the size of the bolt thread, but it says about the nut.........

      Self-locking nut
      ◆ Always replace
      ◆ Tighten to 110 Nm, then tighten a further 90o

      HTH
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      • 90quattrocoupe
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        • Nov 2003
        • 771
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        #4
        Originally posted by audiman
        I found this, which applies to a V6 A.80 so i dont know the size of the bolt thread, but it says about the nut.........

        Self-locking nut
        ◆ Always replace
        ◆ Tighten to 110 Nm, then tighten a further 90o

        HTH

        Thank you.
        They can have my car when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel.

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        • Stick Insect
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          • Dec 2003
          • 2338
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by audiman
          I found this, which applies to a V6 A.80 so i dont know the size of the bolt thread, but it says about the nut.........

          Self-locking nut
          ◆ Always replace
          ◆ Tighten to 110 Nm, then tighten a further 90o

          HTH
          Says the same in the Haynes Manual, I just followed the Tom 'school of bolt tightening'.

          My holes didn't line up by about 3mm when I did mine though!.

          David

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          • 90quattrocoupe
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            • Nov 2003
            • 771
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            #6
            Originally posted by Stick Insect
            My holes didn't line up by about 3mm when I did mine though!.

            David

            ????????
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            • A1QSHIP
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              • Aug 2004
              • 975
              • Country: United States

              #7
              Front Struts

              Originally posted by 90quattrocoupe
              I purchased 95 hubcarriers from someone breaking a car on this forum. The carriers use 14mm instead of the 12mm bolts, on my 90 coupe, to hold the carrier to the strut. My bentley does not have a value for these bolts. Does anyone with a 93 to 95 have a torque value for these bolts? I want to make sure I don't have one come off.

              Greg
              Could someone tell me if there is a difference between the front struts of a US spec, 7A equipped coupe & the euro S2? I know that the front strut diameter on my coupeQ was smaller that the rear strut. I have read thru many different threads on the forum which leads me to believe this is true, that there is a different front strut.
              Also, is there a difference between the hub carrier other than a larger mounting bolt for the strut?
              Finally, has anyone replaced the rear lower stamped steel control arm with the forged steel front control arm? IMHO, if you are going to put over 300 hp thru the chassis it would be a good idea to upgrade the control arms.
              "Nulla tenaci invia est via"

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              • 90quattrocoupe
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                • Nov 2003
                • 771
                • Country: United States

                #8
                Originally posted by TECH48
                Could someone tell me if there is a difference between the front struts of a US spec, 7A equipped coupe & the euro S2? I know that the front strut diameter on my coupeQ was smaller that the rear strut. I have read thru many different threads on the forum which leads me to believe this is true, that there is a different front strut.
                Also, is there a difference between the hub carrier other than a larger mounting bolt for the strut?
                Finally, has anyone replaced the rear lower stamped steel control arm with the forged steel front control arm? IMHO, if you are going to put over 300 hp thru the chassis it would be a good idea to upgrade the control arms.
                Hi,
                Depending upon the year of the 7a and S2.

                If your Coupe has two piece struts(hub carrier is not part of the strut), the strut is the same as the early S2s. The hub carrier and the strut on your USA coupe uses a 12mm bolt for attachment.

                1993 and later S2 struts and for that matter all Euro coupes use the strut and hub carriers use a 14mm bolt for attachment. The same front struts can be found on the USA B4 sedans.

                The only difference in the hub carriers, is your coupe has a protective ring on the inside of the carrier and the later hub carriers do not.

                I don't believe the rear control arms ever had a forged one. Only the fronts came with a forged vs. stamped. I may be wrong on this. Please prove me wrong so I can buy two.

                Greg
                They can have my car when they pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel.

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                • A1QSHIP
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 975
                  • Country: United States

                  #9
                  Clarification

                  Originally posted by 90quattrocoupe
                  Hi,
                  Depending upon the year of the 7a and S2.

                  If your Coupe has two piece struts(hub carrier is not part of the strut), the strut is the same as the early S2s. The hub carrier and the strut on your USA coupe uses a 12mm bolt for attachment.

                  1993 and later S2 struts and for that matter all Euro coupes use the strut and hub carriers use a 14mm bolt for attachment. The same front struts can be found on the USA B4 sedans.

                  The only difference in the hub carriers, is your coupe has a protective ring on the inside of the carrier and the later hub carriers do not.

                  I don't believe the rear control arms ever had a forged one. Only the fronts came with a forged vs. stamped. I may be wrong on this. Please prove me wrong so I can buy two.

                  Greg
                  What I meant to say, is will the front forged control arm work in place of the rear stamped steel control arm? I thought I saw a post that showed an Avant rear suspension & it looked as if the rear control arm was a forging or a cast piece.
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                  • 90quattrocoupe
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 771
                    • Country: United States

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TECH48
                    What I meant to say, is will the front forged control arm work in place of the rear stamped steel control arm? I thought I saw a post that showed an Avant rear suspension & it looked as if the rear control arm was a forging or a cast piece.

                    Sorry don't know if they can be interchanged. I know that some people have put the 4000Q front arms on an early coupe rear so they could run the front sway bar from the 4000Q. But if you are concerned about putting the horsepower through the rear, the late Audi sport Q ran the same lower control arms as the coupe.

                    greg
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                    • 90quattrocoupe
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 771
                      • Country: United States

                      #11
                      There is another thought. The front cast/forged arms use a three bolt set up for the ball joint. The Coupe/S2 rear is only two bolt ball joint or viseversa.

                      greg
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                      • Stick Insect
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 2338
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 90quattrocoupe
                        ????????
                        When i fitted the S2 front hub carriers the holes did not line up. the bolt was fine but the distance between the centre line of the holes was 3mm out. A bit of time with a rat tail file and all is ok.

                        Haven't done the other side yet....

                        David

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                        • audiman
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 4827
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          S2's in the UK, came with different arms depending on year. Some had forged fronts and pressed rears (like mine 1991) And other had pressed fronts and rears. Never have I seen one yet that came with forged rear arms.

                          I run over 400bhp with no problems.
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