TYP 85 gearbox on ABY

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  • spions
    S2Forum Addict
    • Oct 2009
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    #1

    TYP 85 gearbox on ABY

    I have problem.
    I whant put in my typ 85 ABY engine,but what clutch i need to use?
    I have 3b flyweel, and WR clutch but WR clutch don't fit.


  • SteveT63
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Feb 2008
    • 50
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    You need a KV Crankshaft bearing.WR flywheel and clutch. Robert then becomes your fathers brother!!!

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    • spions
      S2Forum Addict
      • Oct 2009
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      #3
      I have 200 3b flywheel and 7a flywheel.

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        Does the WR flywheel have crank reference pin in the right place at 62 BTDC on #1 for ABY motronic to work as it should ?
        Paul Nugent
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        • GT500
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          • Jun 2006
          • 2181
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          #5
          Originally posted by S2central.net
          Does the WR flywheel have crank reference pin in the right place at 62 BTDC on #1 for ABY motronic to work as it should ?
          Yes it does, I changed the pin for the same lump of steel the ABY has. I never tried just the pin. I figured Audi had a bigger one for a reason!
          Rob..
          94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
          87 UR 20v ABY
          97 S6 Avant
          96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
          1967 Ford Mustang,Eleanor,460ci v8

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #6
            cool - I know someone this info will be a great help to. Cheers !!!!!!
            Paul Nugent
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            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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            • Knight Rider S4
              S2Forum Possessed
              • Mar 2005
              • 3541
              • Country: Scotland

              #7
              PM sent Spions
              93 S2 Avant Parting
              91 URQ RR
              02 A4 tdi Avant

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              • Tonks4x4
                Retired OG Mod
                • Nov 2005
                • 3062
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                all the conversions i have done so far all options have been interchangeable. 7a 3b aby aan and ur all have the pin or steel in the correct location and all work on either engine. For the aby to the ur gearbox use a ur flywheel and an uprated clutch but make sure you fit a spiggot bearing into the rear me the crank to support the input shaft.
                Audi Nut!!!

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                • Bram
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2582
                  • Country: Netherlands

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tonks4x4
                  all the conversions i have done so far all options have been interchangeable. 7a 3b aby aan and ur all have the pin or steel in the correct location and all work on either engine. For the aby to the ur gearbox use a ur flywheel and an uprated clutch but make sure you fit a spiggot bearing into the rear me the crank to support the input shaft.
                  I presume also a 3B clutch with 7A flywheel would fit the UrQ gearbox right? As long as I use the spigot bearing.....

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                  • kwlw
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 1025
                    • Country: Lithuania

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bram
                    I presume also a 3B clutch with 7A flywheel would fit the UrQ gearbox right? As long as I use the spigot bearing.....
                    From what I feel - 7A flywheel will not accept urq gearbox main shaft. 7A, S2(3b) flywheels are not ment for 016 gearbox. And urq has one .

                    From my expierence - it's better to use 3b clutch for gboxes with clutch cylinder which is fixed by bolt, and to use older type flywheel combo (MC1, WR) for the gboxes which have clutch cylinder which is fixed by pin.

                    I have no idea is it possible to mix (clutch fork and release bearings look different), but I have expierence of mentioned sets working. And expierence of not working when I have tried to use old clutch cylinder on newer gbox (bolt type).

                    In general (I repeat this bazilionth time, no pictures this time, if you want them - search! ) there are three useable solid flywheel clutch combos:

                    1. 7A, S2(3B), NG(modified with timing pin) flywheel + 7A or S2(3b) clutch. This is for S2 and other non typ85 or typ44 cars. Flywheel has bearing.
                    2. 1B, KG, MC1 typ44 (audi 100/200), and urq cars post 84(?) pre 88' production year. Flywheel is easy to identify, because it looks like bowl, however has timing pin on the back. This is heaviest thing that can be bolted to typ85 or typ44 car. 20vt engines run with this, however it has negative impact on revving, positive impact on daily use, car feels smoother. I have no info on oldest URQ's which had sensor on top of the box.
                    3. MC2, 3B, 1B(?) typ44, urq RR post 88 production year flywheel + clutch meant for same engines. This is best (IMHO) setup for typ85 or typ44 car. Flywheel can be identified by having timing pin on the back, and having BIG hole in the middle (no bearing). Note that 3B clutch is the same as other engines. Also S2(3B) pressure plate probably can be used with this combination, as I was unable to spot any differences. But haven't tested (and not researched this topic).

                    Note, if you manage to mix anything not in order I have written - (like s2 flywheel in typ44) it will work form engine side, but flywheel timing marks will be WRONG!. You cannot rely on factory marks when doing timing belt change, etc. It's possible to use front puley marks for this purpose thou.

                    Regarding spigot bearings. 3B from audi 200 has "small" spigot bearing in the crank. Which is not accepting large typ85 input shaft. It's quite a PITA to get it out. Note that some typ44 016 torsen boxes have small diameter shaft, some have large. And the bearing for small shaft is quite expensive. 3B, ABY from S2, AAN - have no bearing. So check your gearbox shaft diameter first, then press apropriate bearing into crank.

                    Should we edit what I wrote and then make this sticky? . Because I feel it will be asked many times again and again .

                    Sau
                    Last edited by kwlw; 13 June 2010, 07:49.
                    200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
                    CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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                    • Bram
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 2582
                      • Country: Netherlands

                      #11
                      mmmm, interesting Sau. I have been told by a few people the 016 box will fit the 7A/3B clutch and flywheels. I will ask them again to verify

                      Cheers!

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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #12
                        I'd have thought 3B/RR flywheel & clutch combo is best for 016 gearbox... There are lots of uprated clutch options for 3B as well.

                        The RR/3B flywheel must accomodate the correct spigot bearing for 016 input shaft as well. Thats my theory at least.
                        Paul Nugent
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                        1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                        2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                        2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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