Locking diffs how do they work?

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  • wildoliver
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    • Apr 2009
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    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Locking diffs how do they work?

    Pretty much as title, I'm used to torsen and LSD plate type diffs as I've grown up around motorsport and built many cars over the years.

    What I don't know yet is how the Audi diff locks work, my t.85 quattro has centre and rear diff locks, has anyone a diagram or explanation as to what happens when that button is pressed, especially within the diff itself.
  • Error404
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    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    pretty rudimentary - there is a vacuum diaphragm that actuates a lever to move a locking ring between the output flange shaft and the diff carrier.
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    • ranz
      S2Forum Enthusiast
      • May 2006
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      • Country: Estonia

      #3
      It´s not audi, but basically audi has something similar to that:


      Audi diffs: http://ranz.planet.ee/villu/torsenid.jpg (torsen, broken torsen and "kemppi" diff)
      The right one was originally lockable audi diff, you see the toothed top on it and there is one moving part on the exit shaft, and when you push the lock button, it moves to that toothed part and locks the exit shafts.
      Last edited by ranz; 2 December 2010, 14:28.

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      • 4WheelDrifter
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Oct 2004
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        #4
        Unlocked.




        Locked.

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        • wildoliver
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          • Apr 2009
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          #5
          Fantastic thanks! Just what I needed!

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          • Jersey Paul
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            • Oct 2009
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            #6
            This forum is superb.
            Can you get a better answer?
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            • ranz
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              • May 2006
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              #7
              What cars diff is it? because as you can see from my pictures, S2 diff and V8 diff are not similar to that.

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              • 4WheelDrifter
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                • Oct 2004
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                #8
                Originally posted by ranz
                What cars diff is it? because as you can see from my pictures, S2 diff and V8 diff are not similar to that.
                The clue is in the name of this forum.
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                • terrybullwon
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                  • Mar 2006
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                  The clue is in the name of this forum.


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                  • Le S2 Audi
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                    • Jul 2009
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jersey Paul
                    This forum is superb.
                    Can you get a better answer?


                    Always wondered this too....

                    But as it's well known on this forum I'm a numpty when it comes to mechanics...

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                    • ranz
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                      • May 2006
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                      The clue is in the name of this forum.
                      I don´t understand? it´s not S2 diff...

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                      • 4WheelDrifter
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                        • Oct 2004
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by ranz
                        I don´t understand? it´s not S2 diff...
                        It certainly is. From my original '91 AYV.
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                        • ranz
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                          • May 2006
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                          It certainly is. From my original '91 AYV.
                          That is interesting... because my own and my friends S2 (91year) cars have diffs what are on the picuture what I linked before.

                          The right one.

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                          • 4WheelDrifter
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                            • Oct 2004
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                            #14
                            @ Ranz. Looking at your picture the non-TorSen diff's drive gear is missing from the splines on the output.




                            You can see better in one of AndyP's pictures, with said gear in situ.




                            The ring is the part that moves to lock and unlock the rear diff. As described by Error404, and shown in my picture. The ring is moved by a pivoting wishbone that is connected to the vacuum actuator.

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                            • s2driveruk
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 12696
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                              #15
                              i remember studying mine when i pulled it from the car with Pete (remember that? ) and was amazed at the simplicity of the solution for locking it
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