Gearbox ABY in CQ20V

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  • Nuno Cristiano
    S2Forum Addict
    • Aug 2010
    • 421
    • Country: Portugal

    #1

    Gearbox ABY in CQ20V

    Hi,

    It´s possible make swap of gearbox of my Coupe Quattro 20V to gearbox of ABY 6 speed with rear diff original of my coupe?

    Regards,
    .: MINI Cooper D 08' :.
    .: Audi Coupe Quattro 20V 91' :.
    .: Audi Porsche RS2 95' :.
  • spink
    S2Forum Freak
    • Jul 2003
    • 4382
    • Country: England

    #2
    yes no problem,just need the shorter propshaft

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    • re2500
      S2Forum Fiend
      • May 2007
      • 2185
      • Country: Wales

      #3
      Yep its no problem, its the front half of the Prop before the Centre Universal Joint that needs to be shorter, but you can take this from Avant/Coupe ABY. Ive done this myself!
      Black B3 1990 CQ 2.3E converted to ABY & 6spd. (301bhp) - Now Sold
      03 Dolphin B6 S4 Avant LPG - New Daily Wagon
      01 Silver D2 A8 3.7 quattro sport - SOLD

      "Difficult is worth doing"

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      • Nuno Cristiano
        S2Forum Addict
        • Aug 2010
        • 421
        • Country: Portugal

        #4
        What I intend with this change is to lower the engine speed when going on the highway with a speed greater than the 120km/h or even 140km/h.

        The Coupe use a box for me too short. This speaking of my case.

        They know me answer what is the speed that the box does to 7000rpm in 6 speed? From ABY S2.
        .: MINI Cooper D 08' :.
        .: Audi Coupe Quattro 20V 91' :.
        .: Audi Porsche RS2 95' :.

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        • Kieron20V
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Mar 2008
          • 1505
          • Home: England Current: United Kingdom

          #5
          Front driveshafts are different too arent they? S2 ones have bigger inner cv's.
          1994 URS4 Avant RS2+

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          • speeding-g60
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Aug 2008
            • 1186
            • Country: United States

            #6
            if you want to use the original axles, you need two B5 A4 rear diff axle flanges in the 01E trans.

            the shifter stuff is all different.
            mounts as well.
            i used 4kQ driveshaft, its the right 1" shorter.

            its all doable, i have one in my CQ.

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            • Rocco
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Aug 2007
              • 6393
              • Country: Spain

              #7
              if your engine in your coupe quattro it is the 160 or 170 hp.... install the ABY gearbox must be a waste of time. you will lose acceleration ¡¡¡ because they has longer ratios and you will dont have enough power for move it

              i am very happy with my coupe quattro gearbox with more than 360hp
              RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
              BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
              LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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              • Zoig
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Sep 2008
                • 555
                • Country: Estonia

                #8
                Originally posted by Rocco
                if your engine in your coupe quattro it is the 160 or 170 hp.... install the ABY gearbox must be a waste of time. you will lose acceleration ¡¡¡
                Basically Using ABY box (code CGR) on 20V CQ (gearbox code AXM) is like adding 6th gear to current gearbox. Only significant chage is, that 2nd gear is shorter ratio whitch means that acceleration only in 2nd is worse. Rest of the differences are too small to notice and acceleration is nearly identical.

                Final drives are 37:9 = 4.111 on both cars.
                AXM Ratios:
                1. Gear 39:11 = 3.545
                2. Gear 40:19 = 2.105
                3. Gear 40:28 = 1.428
                4. Gear 35:34 = 1.030
                5. Gear 31:37 = 0,837


                CGR Ratios:
                1. Gear 28:8 = 3.500
                2. Gear 34:18 = 1.889
                3. Gear 33:25 = 1.320
                4. Gear 30:29 = 1.034
                5. Gear 30:35 = 0.856
                6. Gear 27:38 = 0.711

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                • spink
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 4382
                  • Country: England

                  #9
                  zoig,where do you get all the ratio info from?i usuallyhave to trawl through etka which is a right pita,is there a better way?

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                  • Zoig
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 555
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #10
                    For 01E you can check here: http://www.elektro.com/~audi/01e/, allthough I still go over ETKA or ELSA to be sure about specific ratios of some boxes(for example 3rd gear ratio for TDI box is wrong on the page).
                    For 01A I still have to use ETKA.

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                    • Rocco
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 6393
                      • Country: Spain

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Zoig
                      For 01E you can check here: http://www.elektro.com/~audi/01e/, allthough I still go over ETKA or ELSA to be sure about specific ratios of some boxes(for example 3rd gear ratio for TDI box is wrong on the page).
                      For 01A I still have to use ETKA.
                      i knew it

                      the CGR box is very similar with the 5 first speeds ,but the second and third gears are better relationed,and adding its very few horse power....

                      i think that is is too many work/money for the very small "upgrade",because how many $$$ fuel will spend more with the coupe quattro gearbox in all the life over the CGR with the "long" 6 speed?? and after this,in a track or funny races the coupe quattro gearbox should be better,with more response and surelly adding less ¿weight?

                      later,many times listening the engine noise we are runnig faster ,because we like to go between 3500/4000rpm ....
                      for example i am travleling slower than before,because i dotn like to rev the car every kms more than 4000rpm ...

                      thanks friend¡
                      RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
                      BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                      LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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