Clutch jam following near watery end

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  • alg
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Apr 2004
    • 1160

    #1

    Clutch jam following near watery end

    Interesting problem and not one I plan to repeat.
    On my way to work early yesterday morning. I came off the Edinburgh bypass, onto an A road with a blind bend. Usual route so no surprises you would think. However on rounding the bend at about 60mph I was faced with a flooded lane on my side, a car going round this on my side at about 10mph and another coming the other way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I braked (thankyou porsche) and took the only option by going through the water undertaking the slow moving car (did not have time to wave). I came out the other side without flooding the engine (thankyou audi) and continued to work. I informed the police of the hazard and sat with the engine until all the water had boiled away (always looks like you have overheated).
    I left the car in gear (RS2 habit) and returned around 4pm. Took out of gear and started the engine. Attemped to select gear but no joy. Switched off and could select all gears. So selected, switched on,felt a thump and all was well again.
    Was this water causing the clutch release to seize or unrelated and the sign of future problems. Up until now clutch perfect with no signs of wear.
    Would there be a way to stop this ?

    Finally I do not think any other car would have allowed me to get away with the above.
    Oh and please dont tell me I should have been more careful I know
    Alastair
    RS2
  • Graham
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
    • 1622
    • Home: United Kingdom Current: Australia

    #2
    The water will have got in between the faces of the Friction plate and the fly wheel, and as it will have been warm it will have oxidised quickly throughout the course of the day, causing the friction material to stick to the flywheel. So the first time you dip the clutch, the spring will have released its pressure but the friction plate will have been still engaged. All you have done is broken the days build up of rust, it wont cause any damage, it is just annoying. It is exactly the same if you leave a drum braked car outside with the hand brake applied on a mild damp night the shoes bind on (common on Corsas/Novas, Astras ETC.). Usuallt as you pull away they bang as they release, but when they are bad you have to shock them, the quickest way on them cars was to lightly strike the wheel/drum with a hammer and you hear it clicking back into place.
    If you look on the inspection hole you will probably see remnants of rust powder where it has been flung out as it released
    HTH
    Graham
    Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.--:Albert Einstein

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    • GlynRS2
      S2Forum Addict
      • Dec 2003
      • 307

      #3
      It is exactly the same if you leave a drum braked car outside with the hand brake applied on a mild damp night the shoes bind on (common on Corsas/Novas, Astras ETC.).
      .....and of course RS2s
      Glyn

      Ex-Polar Silver RS2
      Sprint Blue RS4 - new toy :mischeif:

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      • Jas11n
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Jan 2004
        • 5067
        • Country: England

        #4
        Uh??? never saw this post before Al,,,,,I had a similar incident last November,,,,,I went through a large (large as in "large in area",,,,,but not too deep) pool of standing water. Next morning I couldn't engage any of the gears whilst the engine was running. I turned off the engine, engaged first gear then let the car roll forward and released the clutch. I didn't hear any thump, but when the car was started I could select all gears as normal. I thought this must have been related a clutch problem I have encountered once,,,,namely I came off a roundabout (wasn't gunning it big style) and when I changed from 3rd to 4th the clutch pedal stayed on the floor I had to hook my foot under the pedal and physically pull it up Only ever done it once and was around august time last year on one of the rare hot days we had.
        Strange cars sometimes
        2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
        2004 A4 Avant 1.8T quattro Sport-LE.
        1995 S2 Coupe - sold (sniff)

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        • alg
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Apr 2004
          • 1160

          #5
          I am just glad I was in the RS2 with brakes,4WD and excellent handling. I usually go round that corner FAST

          I remember occasionally the clutch pedal would be sluggish in the last inch of travel. It never happened enough to cause concern. At the time put it down to my driving style !!
          Alastair
          RS2

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          • audiman
            S2Forum Freak
            • Jul 2003
            • 4827
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Had that happen on an old Lotus once. Your lucky you didnt leave it for much longer as if the rust is really gripping it, then the only cure is to take gearbox off and clutch off. Sometimes you can make it break free, but other times it wont. BTDT.
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            Tom C - www.rcmr.co.uk
            Audi UR Quattro
            Audi 100 C3 2.0 5 cyl 115ps
            Audi S2 - 07k engine project aiming for 800ps
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            • Graham
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1622
              • Home: United Kingdom Current: Australia

              #7
              It is good practice to put the car in gear dip the clutch then start the car, this usually breaks it.
              Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.--:Albert Einstein

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