1990 CQ rear diff rebuild

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  • etsola
    S2Forum Addict
    • Feb 2015
    • 285
    • Country: Canada

    #1

    1990 CQ rear diff rebuild

    Hi there, I have a spare rear diff from a 1990 90 CQ.

    I am planning on getting a V8 ring and pinion to make it torsen.

    I'd like to change what would be preferable to change once it's open and before I put it on the car. I will most likely rebuild the rear subframe and would do this at the same time.

    So, I tried to go through the parts catalog at vagcat or else, but I lack the knowledge of what I'll need ... and is it me or it's missing a whole bunch of things too (I'm pretty sure there are some sort of paper gaskets that seal the flanges but there are no mention of them in the parts catalogues),

    So here it is,

    Has someone done this and have a parts list to give out ? with OEM parts #.

    Other than that, any other recommendation would come in handy.

    Cheers
  • mcandmar
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Apr 2004
    • 5118
    • Country: Ireland

    #2
    You need a torsen diff, both output flanges with securing bolts, and a tube of gasket sealant.
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    • ralleyquattro
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Oct 2007
      • 536
      • Home: Poland Current: Canada

      #3
      Don't forget the matching V8 "lage" flange seal, it is specific to the V8.
      Otherwise swap the crown and put back together.
      You also might want to find a rubber seal large enough to block the diff lock "arm" opening.

      Hope this helps.
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      • mcandmar
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Apr 2004
        • 5118
        • Country: Ireland

        #4
        Very good point, i had forgotten about that. I posted some part numbers in the torsen thread here http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=154
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        93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
        94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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        • etsola
          S2Forum Addict
          • Feb 2015
          • 285
          • Country: Canada

          #5
          Thanks for all the advice. I didn't know I needed the flanges.

          Just to be sure, this is the same for a CQ than for an S2 ?

          I have a CQ.

          Cheers

          P.S. The corteco part #'s are doubled :

          Left side seal for manual locking diff,

          017525400A : BASLSFRSX7 : 72x122x10/13 : €20

          Left side seal for torsen diff,

          017525400C : BASLSFRSX7 : 45x122x12/23 : €56

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          • mcandmar
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Apr 2004
            • 5118
            • Country: Ireland

            #6
            Hmm, i have a vague memory that the inner CV joints are smaller on a coupe vs an S2. Or maybe it was a CQ20v/S2 vs all the 10valves. You would need to double check the parts catalog on that one.

            Originally posted by etsola
            P.S. The corteco part #'s are doubled :
            Doh Luckily i snapped a photo of the torsen seal with the box

            91CQ20v - Gone to a new home
            93UR-S4 - The Magic Carpet
            94S2Bus - The Emerald Express

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            • etsola
              S2Forum Addict
              • Feb 2015
              • 285
              • Country: Canada

              #7
              I'm trying to read the thread you reverred to through.

              I know S2 driveshafts (CV axles) are bigger, and the flanges too : 90mm vs 108mm ? (I think).

              The V8 flanges are a direct swap for the S2, though will be bigger for CQ (by CQ, I mean 90 CQ w/ 7a motor, 20v).

              I will not be able to come across S2 driveshafts easily, they never made them in North America and not sure if there any equivalents in small chassis world available here.

              In the post, Porkkis makes an obscure comment about using spacers ... :"I swapped a V8 torsen unit to my B3 80 quattro running the small 90mm rear flanges. No reasonably priced S2 coupe rear driveshafts could be found so I got another RH side small flange and used them on both sides. They need 9,3mm tall 25mm diam spacer bushes with center hole for the M8 bolt to extend the flange shaft length inside the torsen unit. That's all."


              I guess I'll have to figure it out. Error404 had the same question in the post, but he ended up using S2 driveshafts (or I think) ...

              Cheers

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              • speeding-g60
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Aug 2008
                • 1186
                • Country: United States

                #8
                the inner cv flanges for the rear diff come in three flavors.

                90mm for 4 cylinder stuff, like CQ from EU.
                100mm for N/A 5 cylinder stuff, like CQ USA. USA CQ only ever got the N/A 5cyl, so 100mm.
                108mm for forced induction 5 cylinders, like S2 and RS2.

                the rest of the internals are all the same except for the breather is different a little bit for some reason.

                at least in my limited experience in blowing these rear diffs up.

                i have had 2 full sets of S2 axles here in the US, just gotta find them and have them sent is all.

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                • etsola
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Feb 2015
                  • 285
                  • Country: Canada

                  #9
                  But is there a way to re-use the 100mm flanges from the 7a 90 CQ ?

                  Thanks for the Replies

                  Cheere

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                  • Error404
                    Super Moderator
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 19789
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    I would get S2 shafts and use both V8 flanges. You will note the splines on the V8 flanges have a lot more engagement in the diff.
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                    • andy10v
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 5996
                      • Country: Scotland

                      #11
                      Originally posted by etsola
                      But is there a way to re-use the 100mm flanges from the 7a 90 CQ ?

                      Thanks for the Replies

                      Cheere
                      Re drill the flanges

                      034 used to just re drill them, others welded them up and then re drilled.

                      There are old threads on motorgeek.

                      So taking another look at the machined V8 flanges 034 made for me, I can't help but feel a bit hesitant to put these in my car. Normally I would trust any 034 product without question, but I feel like the first time I drop the clutch on the CQ something bad is going to happen with the...


                      This is just a quickie FYI post for now. No pictures as my hands were all grimy and covered in sweet tranny fluid all day. The torsen rear diff found in the V8 machines is quite an easy swap into the small car boxes, or even the big cars as well. If you have a 4.11 final on a big car you can...
                      Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                      Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                      Sold ABY-stock

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                      • etsola
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 285
                        • Country: Canada

                        #12
                        Thanks Andy, that clarifies it.

                        Either shim them 100mm ones or drill the 108mm ones

                        Cheers

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