Somewhat reinforced 3b clutch pressure plate

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  • domas
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    • Oct 2014
    • 307
    • Country: Lithuania

    #1

    Somewhat reinforced 3b clutch pressure plate

    Hi there

    I wasn't sure where to post it, under questions or here under Wanted but here it goes.

    I have a 200 20v 3b with weak clutch -very badly slipping atm.
    I purchased the car in 2009 and changed the oem LUK clutch (was holding okay so it was more as a precaution). Then the **** would hit the fan. The new clutch was sachs - it was never strong enough. Slipping most of the time. My best guess was that the surface of the disk was flat and not padded. So I have sold the set and got my old luk clutch resurfaced - new friction material and springs. Not expensive, so i thought I would give it a try. It worked perfectly. Until last year. It did have that annoying vibration but god i was happy - it wouldn't slip.

    Now this is starting to go as well.

    What do I need for a semi stock 3b? It has a tuned software that boosts to approx 1.3bar. Stock is too weak at this point.

    But the setup is not too powerful for some racing clutch either.. What kind of setup i am looking at?

    At this moment i can get a barely used Sachs Racing Organic disk for €100 which is a steal. So I am definitely going with this disc.. But what about a pressure plate? My 25 year old pressure plate is not a consideration. A brand new stock pressure plate with SRE organic disk? Would this hold the power?

    SAchs sre market their products as 15% over stock which is unbelievably small difference. But does that apply to the organic disk, sintered disk or either of them WITH sre pressure plate? Disk itself gives what, 5% increase? No way.


    Then there comes the price. I would not be happy to pay 325€ for SRE pressure plate (yes that is what i can get it for) and 100€ for organic disk to get just a slight increase in transmittable torque.

    The ting is, i need a slight increase in transmittable torque, but is there way I am not paying a premium price for it (425€ can really buy you a proper motorsport clutch)

    Any ideas what I am looking at? My assumption is 260hp and approx 350nm of tq. But my car is heavy at 1600kg

    I am even considering used parts.
  • Kiku
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    • Aug 2010
    • 497
    • Country: Estonia

    #2
    New AAN pressure plate, reconditioned AAN disc with reinforced pads and 3b flywheel. Im running on rs2 setup with 1.9 boost and still holds good even after multible launches on coupe q.
    1990 2.2 20VT Audi Coupe Quattro
    *Hx35/k26, MaxxECU, Wagner EM/IC *RS2 Recaro *4pot-Brembo *3" turboback *Treser *Koni/H&R
    1990 Audi 200 20v Avant 2.2 20VT *7 Seater *Full electric gizmos

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    • domas
      S2Forum Addict
      • Oct 2014
      • 307
      • Country: Lithuania

      #3
      that sounds promising
      does not sound too expensive either. But the big question remains, is ZF SRE organic disk going to give me the result that you have?
      new stock 3b pressure plate costs peanuts as well.

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      • Pauliusb2
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        • Dec 2014
        • 361
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Im using sachs on my 3b engine converted b2. sachs original clutch and a200 flywheel and it runs fine no slips yet.ecu is chiped and it boost about 1.4 bar and no slips on hard lounch....

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        • domas
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          • Oct 2014
          • 307
          • Country: Lithuania

          #5
          oem non reinforced sachs disk?
          it was slipping from day one for me. the remanned luk was way better but it is starting to go now as well
          is your clutch disk flat surfaced one or padded ?
          this is not the real thing but that is what i mean by flat surface


          and this is padded

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          • Kiku
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            • Aug 2010
            • 497
            • Country: Estonia

            #6
            Well mine is flat and reinforced aan disc. Anyway torque should be 400nm—500nm. And gearbox is o1a.
            Clutch kit was new original Luk, only i took the disc and got it reinforced.
            1990 2.2 20VT Audi Coupe Quattro
            *Hx35/k26, MaxxECU, Wagner EM/IC *RS2 Recaro *4pot-Brembo *3" turboback *Treser *Koni/H&R
            1990 Audi 200 20v Avant 2.2 20VT *7 Seater *Full electric gizmos

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            • Pauliusb2
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              • Dec 2014
              • 361
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Mine Is Flat Surface One

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              • Pauliusb2
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                • Dec 2014
                • 361
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Is Your Clutch Working Correctly?maybe It Needs Bleeding??

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                • domas
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                  • Oct 2014
                  • 307
                  • Country: Lithuania

                  #9
                  no, i have a resurfaced disk. it cant be good for long.5 years is sufficient.

                  both cylinders were replaced at some point. pedal feel is normal. I am wondering if the clutch have somehow received some oil or hydraulic fluid

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                  • Pauliusb2
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                    • Dec 2014
                    • 361
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Could Be Anything.... Good Luck

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                    • domas
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                      • Oct 2014
                      • 307
                      • Country: Lithuania

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kiku
                      Well mine is flat and reinforced aan disc. Anyway torque should be 400nm—500nm. And gearbox is o1a.
                      Clutch kit was new original Luk, only i took the disc and got it reinforced.
                      reinforced = resurfaced with more aggressive material?

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                      • Kiku
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                        • Aug 2010
                        • 497
                        • Country: Estonia

                        #12
                        Jep, company in estonia does that thing. Dunno what or how material comes from but we have cars running 600nm with thise clutches and after all pressure plate is the one that needs to be strong/durable.
                        1990 2.2 20VT Audi Coupe Quattro
                        *Hx35/k26, MaxxECU, Wagner EM/IC *RS2 Recaro *4pot-Brembo *3" turboback *Treser *Koni/H&R
                        1990 Audi 200 20v Avant 2.2 20VT *7 Seater *Full electric gizmos

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                        • domas
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                          • Oct 2014
                          • 307
                          • Country: Lithuania

                          #13
                          but you said you are using a stock pressure plate, correct?

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                          • domas
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                            • Oct 2014
                            • 307
                            • Country: Lithuania

                            #14
                            So this is very urgent now.

                            Will my sachs racing organic disk work with brand new stock LUK pressure plate?
                            I can't see why it shouldn't. I know stock Sachs PP works with racing disk.


                            But what about LUK PP?

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