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  • B2Boy
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    • Feb 2015
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    • Home: Scotland Current: United Kingdom

    #1

    01E long 6th gear swap- 0.56 or 0.6?

    Has anyone on here put a long cruising 6th gear into an 01E box?

    There options are 0.6 and 0.56 ratios.

    0.6 would be safe, I was considering the longer 0.56 but I am worried the engine will come off cam / off boost.

    Any real world experiences out there?
  • Zoig
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    • Sep 2008
    • 555
    • Country: Estonia

    #2
    I had 01E Diesel box in my UrS6, 0.56 6th gear. Swapped it to V8 01E box with 0.68 final gear.

    It really depends on your average speed limits. At 100km/h the 0.56 was suitable when max 2 people in the car and no cargo. Around 120 km/h was quite decent (my local speed limits dont go any higher). I guess if there is a lot of motorway with sustained 130-140km/h the 0.56 would be ok.

    If the common speed is 100km/h and rarely goes to 120km/h like in Estonia, i would rather go with 0.6.

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    • quattrostyle
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      • Oct 2006
      • 6229
      • Country: Netherlands

      #3
      But if you drive a B2 as your name suggests it might be okay since you will run (much) lower profile tyres meaning higher RPM's at the same speed than say an S2 or S4.

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      • speeding-g60
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        • Aug 2008
        • 1186
        • Country: United States

        #4
        i had an RS2 (CRB) gearbox sent over to the US from UK.

        we took the 3/4 gears out and put them into an 01E TDI gearbox (.56 6th gear) for my friends cruiser car.

        stupid side story; i put the RS2 trans back together, with a .87 4th gear and .86 5th gear (i drink sometimes, out in the shop, see)

        i just gotta take it back apart partially and put a different 5th gear on it, or skip 5th gear completely lol.

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        • quattrostyle
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          • Oct 2006
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          #5
          LOL

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          • B2Boy
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            • Feb 2015
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            #6
            Zoig – thanks!

            speeding-g60 - That must be the world’s closest ratio box!

            quattrostyle - It is a B2 but its being built with an S2 drive train and rolling radius of the tyres will only be out about 0.5% from stock S2, so it should be a good comparison.

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            • speedfr38ky
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              • Jul 2014
              • 76
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Tried a longer gear in my 01e rs2 box for my UR Quattro. even when running it in running no boost it felt horid and was too big a drop so had the standard 6th gear put back in.

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              • Thuppu
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                • Sep 2010
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                • Country: Finland

                #8
                B5 S4 0.68 could be good.

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                • B2Boy
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by speedfr38ky
                  Tried a longer gear in my 01e rs2 box for my UR Quattro. even when running it in running no boost it felt horid and was too big a drop so had the standard 6th gear put back in.
                  speedfr38ky - Which one did you try? .56? or .6?

                  I have an RS4 box, which has the .68 ratio in it at the moment.

                  The car is being built so I don't have a reference to work from. I am about to re-build the box, and don't really want to have to pull it out again later on....

                  I will be using it mostly in the UK, but also across France and so don't want it screaming its head off on long motorway runs at 70-90 .... or even Germany at uhum 100+

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                  • speedfr38ky
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                    • Jul 2014
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                    #10
                    .6 is what I had.....your call entirely but unless you really want to have a longer ratio specifically for long cruises I wouldn't bother it felt wrong....the drop in revs was considerable.

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                    • B2Boy
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                      • Feb 2015
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by speedfr38ky
                      .6 is what I had.....your call entirely but unless you really want to have a longer ratio specifically for long cruises I wouldn't bother it felt wrong....the drop in revs was considerable.
                      Hi speedfr38ky. What BHP were you running?

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                      • Error404
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                        • Mar 2007
                        • 19789
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        I agree, longer 6th needs at least a longer 4th and 5th to spread the ratios, and a lot of torque low down in the rev range...
                        0.68 will still get you to 200mph with a sensible rev limit, not sure really why you'd want anything longer?
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                        • B2Boy
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                          • Feb 2015
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Error404
                          I agree, longer 6th needs at least a longer 4th and 5th to spread the ratios, and a lot of torque low down in the rev range...
                          0.68 will still get you to 200mph with a sensible rev limit, not sure really why you'd want anything longer?
                          It really wasn't top speed I was after, I just wanted a long cruising gear for motorways and autoroutes.

                          MRC used to do a .641 which would give the same rev drop as 3-to-4 and 4-to-5. Shame they don't do it anymore.

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                          • Error404
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                            • Mar 2007
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                            #14
                            Another option to consider is swapping to 3.889 diffs which will reduce your overall ratios and increase road speed in every gear.
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                            • B2Boy
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Error404
                              Another option to consider is swapping to 3.889 diffs which will reduce your overall ratios and increase road speed in every gear.
                              Good thought, though I have mapped the rest of the ratios as is and they look good with the 4.11.

                              Thanks all for the thoughts everybody!

                              I think the consensus is that .6 is just too high.

                              I think I will build it with .68 and see what happens.

                              If its not high enough, I might have a custom 6th ratio made up. It wouldn't be hard to a 0.641 26/38 made up. There seem to be enough companies out there making Audi gearsets to find one who will do a custom 6th.

                              Cheers!

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