what power can wagner manifolds take you to

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  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    Originally posted by bram
    OK, good to know that. I always thought it was just a difference in inlet diameter. I have a GT3071R in my car, so what would you like me to measure? The outside diameter of the cold-side?
    Yeh i'll measure my 3076 and post the details up. I didn't measure it last time just did a visual on the two.

    I'll do it in cm not inches

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    • 4WheelDrifter
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Oct 2004
      • 5773
      • Country: Devon

      #17
      It's the coldsides that differentiate the turbos in the GT30R range.
      The GT3071R has a compressor A/R of 0.50, the GT3076R has an A/R of 0.60, and the GT3082R has an A/R of 0.70. It's easy to see the difference.
      SS

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      • Bram
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Aug 2006
        • 2582
        • Country: Netherlands

        #18
        ok, that clarifies it

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        • repo
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Dec 2004
          • 893
          • Country: Finland

          #19
          Just to highlight, tried ct367 on an evo manifold, and sits there without mods or spacers. That is a nice 800hp turbo, if You wish to push to the limits.

          Only need to choose gts turbine housing to avoid grinding of the turbine inlet.

          Evo em turbo side outlet is garrett BB specific, and practically all other T3 flanged turbos in the world follow the old style, which is a couple of millimeters smaller on each side, and a bit more round. Bolt pattern, nevertheless, is still the same, so even if You had old skool turbine, grinding is a three minute operation with a good die grinder.
          Everything less than 2 bar is considered to be naturally aspirated

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          • Lupo911
            S2Forum Addict
            • Apr 2005
            • 312
            • Country: Germany

            #20
            here is a Dyno Sheet of a Customer Car with

            EVO Manifold with 3K Flange and Oldschool K26/27/29 Turbo
            Short IM with RS2 IC

            not to Bad for these Components...
            Attached Files

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            • Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Sep 2008
              • 1041
              • Country: Italy

              #21
              Hello, what power can I reach with Wagner exhaust manifold, original but new K24/7200 turbo and RS2 Evo Intercooler?
              Thanks a lot!
              Bye
              My life and my loves

              Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
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              • A80Avant
                S2Forum Obsessed
                • Sep 2005
                • 10873
                • Country: Greece

                #22
                i would assume it all depends on what map you have. It is not a matter of what hp you make on a cold day in a dyno, but what you can make on a daily basis. EVO intercooler and EM will help in that direction but the EM being larger diameter than the original EM might bring a tiny bit more lag.

                id guess around 380-390 is possible if you dont want to worry about rod bending

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
                  Hello, what power can I reach with Wagner exhaust manifold, original but new K24/7200 turbo and RS2 Evo Intercooler?
                  Thanks a lot!
                  Bye
                  All depends on the map not the manifold, the Rs2 turbo won't even scratch the limit of the Evo IC and Evo IC.

                  At 2 bar the RS2 turbo can hit 400 bhp

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                  • Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 1041
                    • Country: Italy

                    #24
                    Ok, so do you think that a Evo Intercooler and a Evo exhaust manifold are oversized for the K24/7200 turbo? Can the reverse intake manifold reduce the turbo lag and the power loss that have the original intake manifold because the air after pass on the intercooler pass on the exhaust manifold and so arrived in the engine that is not really fresh?
                    Thanks a lot!

                    Alessio
                    My life and my loves

                    Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
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                    Audi S2 Coupe ABY
                    Audi S2 Avant
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                    • GazzaG60
                      S2Forum Freak
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 4133
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      my advice would be start with the exhaust manifold to keep egt down and stick with the stock inlet.

                      keep the air velocitiers high withy smaller tubes and inlet.

                      there aint much time to heat up the air through the piping as it goes. it travels further thats all.

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                      • Jamo
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 21750
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
                        Ok, so do you think that a Evo Intercooler and a Evo exhaust manifold are oversized for the K24/7200 turbo? Can the reverse intake manifold reduce the turbo lag and the power loss that have the original intake manifold because the air after pass on the intercooler pass on the exhaust manifold and so arrived in the engine that is not really fresh?
                        Thanks a lot!

                        Alessio
                        The reverse Im is a must mod if you have the money, the throttle response and drop in lag is day and night

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                        • GazzaG60
                          S2Forum Freak
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 4133
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          even on a small turbo? id like to see some comparisions. we know it is higher. way back when i installed mine i saw 500rpm on my sc6152e.

                          cant see it on that small snail.

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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Originally posted by GazzaG60
                            even on a small turbo? id like to see some comparisions. we know it is higher. way back when i installed mine i saw 500rpm on my sc6152e.

                            cant see it on that small snail.
                            Even on a small turbo, ask s2_Bo or Sonic, they did it on a K24 and could not believe the difference.

                            Do remember you are removing 1.5 m of pipework and the air temp will be lower.

                            Any car will benefit from the reverse IM.

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                            • Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1041
                              • Country: Italy

                              #29
                              Ok Jamo, so also with the K24/7200 turbo the intercooler kit and the reverse inlet manifold is a good upgrade.

                              Thanks a lot!

                              Alessio
                              My life and my loves

                              Audi-Porsche Avant RS2
                              Audi S6 C4 ABT Avant
                              Audi S2 Coupe ABY
                              Audi S2 Avant
                              Audi Cabriolet 2.0E

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                              • s2_bo
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 6067
                                • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

                                #30
                                Yes it is!

                                That's what I'm running on my car. It does the job quite nicely..

                                Even before the RS2 setup went on, using a larger IC and the reverse inlet it raised boost threshold by .2bar with generic MRC chips compared to the stock 3b IC and normal inlet track.
                                91 S2 coupé - RIP
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