Any opinions on A4 3.0d quattro avant

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  • Tonybolony
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Dec 2011
    • 636
    • Country: Wales

    #1

    Any opinions on A4 3.0d quattro avant

    Hi,
    Although still in love with the S2Avant, the Mrs is nagging like hell for me to buy a 'more practical daily car' (Her words, not mine!!!), and the only thing that would tick anything like enough boxes would be the above.
    I would welcome anyone's advise/relevant comments on what to buy. I'm not terribly concerned about age or mileage, as my S2 has covered nearly 200k miles.
    I know the 2.0d 170 (Chipped) are a bit quick, but surely it would have to be the 3.0d to give anything like the kick in the back of the S2, but what about the handling?

    Thanks in advance.
  • anton
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jan 2005
    • 802
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    I assume your referring to the b8 (not sure if there was a 3.0d before that, but I used to have an A5 with that engine and quattro and it was a stupid diesel, I'd go as far as to say it will give you more of a kick than the S2 (stock at least) but don't believe the mpg figures. I got 35 average and 42 on a long run. As far as handling, your comparing a 15 year old car to a modern one with advanced multi link suspension all round. My A5 could run rings round my old quattro in the turns, and then leave it behind on the straights. I don't see why the A4 avant would be any different. Only problem is it feels numb, but then I didn't think much of the coupe feedback either but the old is definitely more fun.

    HTH
    Ant

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    91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
    KW V2s and other goodies
    now gone
    03' BMW 330CI - Sold
    08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
    57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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    • anton
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jan 2005
      • 802
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      One thing to add, if your going manual, read up on the gearboxes. They don't make a manual any more and there's a reason for that, one of the main reasons I sold mine....

      Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
      91' Coupe quattro 20v - project
      KW V2s and other goodies
      now gone
      03' BMW 330CI - Sold
      08' A5 Coupe 3.0l tdi quattro - Sold
      57' BMW 525d M Sport Touring

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      • Quattro Dan.
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Dec 2005
        • 746
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Originally posted by anton
        One thing to add, if your going manual, read up on the gearboxes. They don't make a manual any more and there's a reason for that, one of the main reasons I sold mine....

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        I had a B7 2007 3.0 tdi Quattro avant s line manual, great cars, fantastic handling, and good performance. Good luck finding a manual one they are very rare.

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        • Sleeper_Avant
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Mar 2009
          • 2372
          • Country: England

          #5
          B6/7 early 3.0`s were plagued with issues, as per any new modern diesel.

          awesome though, go to some dealers and drive some cars man!!!

          my STD AAN engine`d A4 was not as quick as when i had the 2.5 diesel in it belive it or not, although it did the same 14.4 1/4 mile time suprisingly lol
          1993 URS4 Avant Emerald Green 350+bhp
          1991 Ford Sierra Sapphire 4x4 in Magenta
          BoooOOOSSSSSTTTT BANG BANG CHIRP CHIRP

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          • prj
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2010
            • 6308
            • Country: Estonia

            #6
            1. Chain tensioners - the uppers usually need to be replaced, if not replaced in time, it will break and pistons will hit the valves.
            2. Injectors - need to be diagnosed and running values checked prior to purchase of the car or you are potentially looking at 2000 GBP expenses.
            3. Injectors #2 - the returns need to be checked. They can leak, the gaskets can also leak and result is diesel in oil. When inspecting car make sure oil level is not too high.
            4. DPF - many of these cars have issues with DPF. Small trips and common regeneration of DPF also caused diesel in oil. It is best to remove the DPF altogether.
            5. Intake manifold swirl flaps. If they are shot, usually the suggestion is to replace the manifolds at over 1000 GBP. The easier solution is to remove the swirl flaps, plug the holes and code them out of the ECU.
            6. Gearbox - In case of auto need to make sure that it is not slipping. If it is slipping somewhat randomly, a full "dynamic" oil change (with a special machine) + software update for TCU will cure this.

            I can go on and on about this. I remap, DPF off, EGR off and remove swirl flaps on these almost daily now.

            When it's working you get 600nm of torque and over 290hp from them, and they are great to drive.
            The fuel consumption is very low - the newer 233 bhp engines consume around 6.5L/100km on motorway.
            http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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            • DJones
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Jun 2005
              • 2020
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Fuel consumption on the latest model is incredible, I run the 3.0 biturbo A6 and it does 44 mpg on the run pretty good for a 300+ bhp motor.

              I have had about five now from the 233bhp model to the latest and all have been great motors..

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              • Sleeper_Avant
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Mar 2009
                • 2372
                • Country: England

                #8
                Originally posted by prj
                1. Chain tensioners - the uppers usually need to be replaced, if not replaced in time, it will break and pistons will hit the valves.
                2. Injectors - need to be diagnosed and running values checked prior to purchase of the car or you are potentially looking at 2000 GBP expenses.
                3. Injectors #2 - the returns need to be checked. They can leak, the gaskets can also leak and result is diesel in oil. When inspecting car make sure oil level is not too high.
                4. DPF - many of these cars have issues with DPF. Small trips and common regeneration of DPF also caused diesel in oil. It is best to remove the DPF altogether.
                5. Intake manifold swirl flaps. If they are shot, usually the suggestion is to replace the manifolds at over 1000 GBP. The easier solution is to remove the swirl flaps, plug the holes and code them out of the ECU.
                6. Gearbox - In case of auto need to make sure that it is not slipping. If it is slipping somewhat randomly, a full "dynamic" oil change (with a special machine) + software update for TCU will cure this.

                I can go on and on about this. I remap, DPF off, EGR off and remove swirl flaps on these almost daily now.

                When it's working you get 600nm of torque and over 290hp from them, and they are great to drive.
                The fuel consumption is very low - the newer 233 bhp engines consume around 6.5L/100km on motorway.

                100% agreed!

                remove all the **** it doesnt need and map it out,

                very widespread procedure on ALL models of modern diesel cars nowdays.
                1993 URS4 Avant Emerald Green 350+bhp
                1991 Ford Sierra Sapphire 4x4 in Magenta
                BoooOOOSSSSSTTTT BANG BANG CHIRP CHIRP

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                • DarrenM
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Aug 2007
                  • 1227
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Sorry to hijack but what are opinions on the b6 A4 3.0 petrol (manual)?

                  I'm still not 100% sure the A4 Avant will be big enough for what I need anyway (BIG dog so maybe c5 A6/S6 Avant more suitable) but heard a 3.0L petrol burble past the other day and sounded sweet.

                  Something like these as examples:

                  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2309869466...84.m1438.l2649

                  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2712377530...84.m1438.l2649

                  Not to fussed about tuneability as literally just be used as a 3rd car to transport the dog.

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                  • Tonybolony
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 636
                    • Country: Wales

                    #10
                    Thanks for all your replies.
                    I was tempted to go for an earlier (2003 ish), as there are a few available- Autotrader/Pistonheads, but reading your replies, maybe I need to throw a bit more money at this, 2007 onwards.

                    ????

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Our B6 S4 avant is great, but if its for practical family duties I'd get an A6 - there ain't much leg room in the back of the A4 and the boot isn't as big as you'd think - the tailgate is pretty sloped compared to a B4. Can't fault the handling and comfort - both leagues ahead of a B4 car. Bit devoid of character but all modern cars are IMHO - they are all too good.
                      As soon as they come down in price a bit I think we will be in the market for a 3.0tdi A6q - 600nm & 40+mpg can't be beaten for a daily with room for a large dog!
                      Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                      Indigo ABY coupé
                      Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                      • DarrenM
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 1227
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Error404
                        Our B6 S4 avant is great, but if its for practical family duties I'd get an A6 - there ain't much leg room in the back of the A4 and the boot isn't as big as you'd think - the tailgate is pretty sloped compared to a B4. Can't fault the handling and comfort - both leagues ahead of a B4 car. Bit devoid of character but all modern cars are IMHO - they are all too good.
                        As soon as they come down in price a bit I think we will be in the market for a 3.0tdi A6q - 600nm & 40+mpg can't be beaten for a daily with room for a large dog!
                        Good stuff, I didn't know you had a B6 avant..haven't really been on the forum for a while tho. Would love to see a few pics..

                        As much as I'd like A4's, I think you're probably right about the space. In the back of my mind, I think the A6's are a bit to "grown up", big & sensible but I'm trying to kid myself really..as that's exactly what I need..lol

                        We did try our dog in an A4 avant few months ago (it was a friendly guy's at local car wash I was walking him past!) he seemed a bit squashed then TBH and he's filled out loads since then.




                        I think I'm going to have to put my sensible cap on and go for an A6 (maybe S6)...thoughts on best buy for up to around 6K..??

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                        • andy10v
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 5996
                          • Country: Scotland

                          #13
                          A4s are 2 person cars with the ability to carry passengers. Great for giving mates lifts etc. **** for long journeys.
                          Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                          Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                          Sold ABY-stock

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                          • Tonybolony
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Dec 2011
                            • 636
                            • Country: Wales

                            #14
                            Originally posted by andy10v
                            A4s are 2 person cars with the ability to carry passengers. Great for giving mates lifts etc. **** for long journeys.
                            TBH, that's exactly what I'm after.
                            90% On my own
                            8% With the Mrs (Generally telling me that I'm going too fast, especially thro the bends!!)
                            2% Other people in the back.

                            Given that the 3.0Tdi Quattro Avant are fairly rare & consequently more expensive, anyone got any views on Just how disappointed I would be with a Chipped 2.0Tdi?
                            Plenty of 2.0 170's out there, the 3.0 being 50% up on Cc's, but not 50% up on Horses/Torque, and also that the Block is gonna weigh considerably more- will the 3.0 turn-in as well as the 2.0??
                            Obviously there are higher maintenance costs/tax/fuel.
                            It's never gonna be used on a track, but something to have some fun in, and practical as a Daily.

                            I'm interested in anyone's opinion before I go and buy something that I may regret.

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                            • Cottis
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 1448
                              • Country: England

                              #15
                              Jeez, surely you need a dumper truck for the dog Darren ha ha. Looks like a cross between content and confused.

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