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  • HPmuirt
    S2Forum April Fool
    • Apr 2005
    • 3014
    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

    #16
    Originally posted by Sonic
    As paul said - a pretty drastic measure to take closing the entire forum!

    Personally id fight do the death on the "free speech" side of the argument... This PC rubbish has gone way OTT.
    I suspect that the forum in question caved in at the threat of legal action before understanding in full the consequences of trying to defend their case, which is very sad.

    FYI, to challenge and win a plee for damages on the basis of any written (libel) or spoken (slander) form of defamation, the plaintiff must first prove that it was intentionally made as statements of fact and not simply opinion. In most legal systems, especially those based around old English or common law, any statement expressed as an opinion is virtually impossible to prosecute as defammatory. So in my opinion Sonic is a ...... .... ........ .. ....... ..... .......

    That said, the right of free speech is NOT a defense in cases of defamation Andy...sorry.

    This all covers the individuals that made the remarks in question. The harder but bigger issue is that of the media, in this case the Planet Ovlov forum. Here a defense of Innocent Dissemination is difficult to use, as they would have knowledge that the statements had been made and could therefore have had reasonable cause to assume any statements made as facts were therefore defamatory. However, the fact they they removed the information once the complaint was made should go a little way to help their cause...although that is of course no defense, neither is claiming negligence in not scanning and removing the information immediately that it was posted.

    Their best defense would probably be to prove that the statements made were opinion and therefore not defamatory. A funnier defense would be to claim that the statements made were true as it is then up to the plaintiff to prove that in fact the statements were false rather than the defendants needing to prove the statements trye

    However my favourite defense would be to claim that the plaintiff was incapable of further defamation...i.e. the garage in question had already entirely lost its reputation and therefore was at rock bottom and could not be hurt further for additional statements whether opinion or fact After all, it was a Volvo specialist which in itself (in my opinion ) is surely a crime

    Cheers n

    Si
    Last edited by HPmuirt; 28 March 2008, 02:04.
    95 ABY S2 Coupe - Ragusa Green
    Subtle mods here and there


    2011 A5 3.0 TDi - Lava Grey
    With every option available (except a towball)

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    • Acidburn
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Jun 2007
      • 13459
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      Nice comments si, worth a read

      bad to hear about the ovlov forum as my mate used that as well.

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      • Fat Audi 80
        Super Moderator
        • Jan 2004
        • 10547
        • Country: England

        #18
        With a relatively small forum like this and the generally high quality of members/users posts we should not have too much to worry about.

        It does serve as a good reminder to us mods though to keep any eye on this type of thing.

        Let's continue to keep it nice and friendly people.

        Cheers,

        Steve.
        The Perfectionist
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        • shark_90
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Mar 2007
          • 1475
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Originally posted by Fat Audi 80
          With a relatively small forum like this and the generally high quality of members/users posts we should not have too much to worry about.
          Aw Steve, never knew you felt that way
          1994 Audi S2 Avant - in pieces
          2006 Skoda Octavia vRS 2.0TFSi - goes fast
          1985 Audi 90 quattro - is wet

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          • Fat Audi 80
            Super Moderator
            • Jan 2004
            • 10547
            • Country: England

            #20
            Its like a small extended family.
            The Perfectionist
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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              Originally posted by Fat Audi 80
              Its like a small extended family.
              Family fights are the worst

              All very sad especially as i'm a member of said Volvo forum that has shut down although I haven't been on there in eons

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              • HPmuirt
                S2Forum April Fool
                • Apr 2005
                • 3014
                • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                #22
                Originally posted by Jamo
                All very sad especially as i'm a member of said Volvo forum that has shut down although I haven't been on there in eons
                Ahh, we are starting to get the picture now.....it was Jamo's fault. Always thought he was a trouble maker (that of course is just my OPINION though )

                Steers n queers

                Si
                95 ABY S2 Coupe - Ragusa Green
                Subtle mods here and there


                2011 A5 3.0 TDi - Lava Grey
                With every option available (except a towball)

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                • UrS4Eben
                  S2Forum Enthusiast
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 128
                  • Home: South Africa Current: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  I've had 2 cases where people tried to sue me because of what was being said of them on my forum by other people. One case was a deceitful exporter and the other was a wannabe mechanic.
                  '92 UrS4 Avant
                  www.olddubs.com
                  www.expatsa.com

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                  • veneto rs2
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 1022
                    • Country: Veneto

                    #24
                    Hi everyone!

                    I must say something about this because i'm the president of an Audi Club in Italy and.....
                    By law i'm therefore responsable of anything it's in the Club Forum
                    So it makes me think when i read something like what happened in the Volvo Forum.

                    I have to say that in this S2Forum/Community/Family things are well look after.

                    Italians are really a pain in the a*se when it comes down to conversation...
                    If we (i'm italian aswell) are talking in front of you we have this funny habit of moving hands and arms around...
                    If it's a web/forum talking we tend to write to much because we miss that arms/hands method of communication....
                    Ence a post or a whole thread can become really unpleasant to say the least!
                    We (firstly me) the directors board are trying to "copy" the Forum philosophy of S2Forum because i believe it's one of the best in the web (if not the best).
                    Good relationship helpful members good moderators/admins with a good and intelligent way of dealing with things and people.
                    The all lot it's "seasoned" with a indispensable touch of humour wich is good in any case....... could it be "English/Scot/Irish......" or from any of the englishspoken countries where the members come from.

                    So keep on with the good work guys!

                    Stefano
                    http://www.audisportclub.com/

                    http://www.s2forum.com/forum/vbgoogl...227295&zoom=16

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                    • Greg_S
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 12430
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Thanks for the comments Stefano, good to hear we're getting it right
                      Greg

                      S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

                      '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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                      • Fat Audi 80
                        Super Moderator
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 10547
                        • Country: England

                        #26
                        Originally posted by veneto rs2
                        Hi everyone!

                        I must say something about this because i'm the president of an Audi Club in Italy and.....
                        By law i'm therefore responsable of anything it's in the Club Forum
                        So it makes me think when i read something like what happened in the Volvo Forum.

                        I have to say that in this S2Forum/Community/Family things are well look after.

                        Italians are really a pain in the a*se when it comes down to conversation...
                        If we (i'm italian aswell) are talking in front of you we have this funny habit of moving hands and arms around...
                        If it's a web/forum talking we tend to write to much because we miss that arms/hands method of communication....
                        Ence a post or a whole thread can become really unpleasant to say the least!
                        We (firstly me) the directors board are trying to "copy" the Forum philosophy of S2Forum because i believe it's one of the best in the web (if not the best).
                        Good relationship helpful members good moderators/admins with a good and intelligent way of dealing with things and people.
                        The all lot it's "seasoned" with a indispensable touch of humour wich is good in any case....... could it be "English/Scot/Irish......" or from any of the englishspoken countries where the members come from.

                        So keep on with the good work guys!

                        Stefano


                        Of course I am biased, but this is by far the best forum I use and one of the reasons I love owning an S2. The help and friendship you get here is unbelieveable.

                        Part of it is due to the nature of the car, I think they attact the right sort of owner.

                        The Perfectionist
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                        Audi Class Concours winner Stoner Park 2014, ADI Concours D'Elegance Class Winner 2008, Runner up 2014. Winner, S2Forum Show'n'Shine Billing 2006 & 2008.

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                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #27
                          Yeah the admins and mods can't take ALL the credit here - there is generally not much forum maintenance to perform. I think Steve is right that the car generally attracts a certain type of person and thats why this forum is so friendly and useful.
                          Paul Nugent
                          Webmaster http://S2central.net
                          Administrator http://S2forum.com

                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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