mid engined, rear drive coupe?

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  • 4WheelDrifter
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Oct 2004
    • 5773
    • Country: Devon

    #16
    Originally posted by re2500
    What about two 500bhp I5T's one in the front and one in the back both with FWD gearboxes??

    1000bhp!!

    I looked into a twin engine project many years ago. Like Andy says weight is the problem. It's better to have one engine with 1000bhp IMHO. :mischeif:
    SS

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    • stiglet
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Aug 2007
      • 1264
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      It would handle much better no doubt but you would loose the "quattro" chuckability. Would behave more like a lotus than an audi, only with less sophisticated suspension.

      If you could lower the whole engine/tranny to make the C of G lower that would make it much better.

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      • stiglet
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Aug 2007
        • 1264
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
        I looked into a twin engine project many years ago. Like Andy says weight is the problem. It's better to have one engine with 1000bhp IMHO. :mischeif:
        Is it true with twin engines you have to have a rigid connection between the two engines i.e. a propshaft for safety reasons for it to pass an SVA or something?

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        • HPmuirt
          S2Forum April Fool
          • Apr 2005
          • 3014
          • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

          #19
          Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
          It's better to have one engine with 1000bhp IMHO. :mischeif:
          You mean like Audi did in 1984. I posted a thread about it ages ago.....Linky. 'Tis a great read, with comments like....

          'The biggest problem with the Quattro was not the engine, which was very strong but the weight distribution and the handling'

          To call the Sport Quattro a quick fix would be inaccurate because it didn't fix much'

          'In the longer term it could only be mid-engined'

          'The five-cylinder engine sits amidships, whopping turbo clearly visible, and when you consider that engineers had produced nigh on 1000BHP from these units the potential becomes evident'

          1000BHP - Personally speaking, I would give all your rights arms to drive that

          Cheers n

          Si
          95 ABY S2 Coupe - Ragusa Green
          Subtle mods here and there


          2011 A5 3.0 TDi - Lava Grey
          With every option available (except a towball)

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          • Rusty
            Super Moderator
            • Jun 2004
            • 18953
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Si, you do plenty well enough with 270bhp, let alone 1000! That's just greedy, there's plenty of ponies to go round so share the love
            Cheers'en, AndyC
            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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            • Keeper of The Kitten
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Dec 2003
              • 2317
              • Country: England

              #21
              Most vehicles that run with two engines inevitably suffer from one being a little more lazy than the other ....I know Monster Tajima did it with his Suzuki hillclimb car but it is quite rare for such machines to perform at their optimum ...as stated, one engine is better.

              And in answer to that SVA question, I have some suspicion that you would be expected to connect powertrains or have one not running on the road (there have been other twin engined machines that could theoretically run on the road with two independent drivetrains and usually they were expected to run with one engine off). I can't verify that but it is quite likely.

              As a footnote, one of my former bosses, Hiroshi Fushida (now at the helm of the Dome sportscar team), once drove a Can-Am car with four snowmobile engines, two at each end, driving through VW camper transaxles. Originally the front and rear drivetrains were connected but later disconnected, but either way it really wasn't fast enough and with a theoretical pooled output of about 440bhp, was a long way shy of the more conventional machines that ran with single 750bhp V8 engines.
              Martin Cutting

              aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

              It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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              • stiglet
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Aug 2007
                • 1264
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                The problem with twin engines is that you add more weight along with the extra power. Proportionally speaking it is better for straight line performance since you double the power but don't double the weight, however it doesn't do much good to the handling.

                I kinda like the way the coupe is front heavy with the weight way out in the front, means you can chuck it into a corner with the confidence that it won't grip and grip and grip, then suddenly snap away into a hedge. A lot of people will disagree but high moment of inertia gives stability, which is good for high speed cornering

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                • newsh
                  S2Forum Obsessed
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 16226
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  I've seen it done years ago in a van, Morris Minor I think

                  S2 Coupe 3B Project


                  Ur quattro restoration

                  S2 Avant

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                  • Error404
                    Super Moderator
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 19789
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    there is / was few years back a renault 5 GT T and a MK3 golf both had two engines
                    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                    Indigo ABY coupé
                    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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