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This is a global conspiracy to rival the Kenedy assassination, moon landings and Global Warming!
Don't get me started on global warming or the fact that the planet has CO2 cycles all on its own, unless the industrial revolution is to blame for the 41,000 year ice age cycle as well
Originally posted by Andy_Casey
Oh, and Kimi should be penalised for being th most boring c**t ever!
Cheers n
Si
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Would you agree with me that Massa should have been penalised for running Sutil into the pit lane wall at Valencia? Remember that several GP2 drivers were penalised for this by the same stewards! Of course you would and so did the stewards....they fined him €10,000 rather than hurting his points score with a drive through
Would you agree with me that Kimi should have been penalised for leaving his box before being released and running over his cheif mechanic - fracturing his toe?
Also a little bit different that things.
Felipe had the green traffic light means he couldn´t have known that another car is coming from the rear. This is the mistake which leads to following situation. The team or the person behind the traffic-light is the person who made the mistake not Felipe. Also he didn´t push Sutil in the wall. Massa gave up in this situation and sutil passed Massa in this situation. Means there is for me no advantage for Felipe, in no way. A punishment for the team would be the right way to avoid such things in the future but i´m very sure about the fact that Ferrari doesn´t care about such punishments in any way.
The other situation with Kimi in the box is only a mistake from Kimi, no doubt about it. BUT he caused a team-intern damage and the hurt mechanic must be penatly enough for Kimi. Also there is definetely no advantage for Kimi instead of a big disadvantage because the pit stop was round about 14sec.....
Thus i can´t agree with you in your way.
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PS: have you heard the other formula one drivers about the situation in Spa? D.Coulthard, Massa (not very representative, i agree with you), Rosberg, Alonso, Vettel, etc? ALL of these persons said that the decision is correct because Lewis had a massive advantage in this situation, AND he would have never had only a chance to overtake Kimi if he drove the chicane correctly...
Yeah, should be an awesome GP tomorrow if they can find some more speed. They have the advantage of being able to choose strategy rather than going into parc ferme tonight and having to "run what you brung" tomorrow. A great chance for Massa and Kovalienen to step up and show their respective team no.1s how to do it! And I hope they both do... until the chequered flag where Hamilton overtakes them both on the final straight
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@Wolfgang: In both of your explanations above, you state that the team are responsible, not the drivers. However if the team was at fault, why was Massa fined by the stewards and not Ferrari?
When other teams are at fault, it is often the driver who is punished either at the race or at the next race with a grid demotion. It is an issue of inconsistant decision making and that is worse than the rumours of favouritism or corruption.
BTW, Sutil DID hit the wall, buy only gently. The fact remains he was run off his line, in a dangerous way, where there are people walking around!
You also suggest that some drivers agree with the penalty.....of course the political ones do! However, the rest of the drivers (Trulli, Rosberg, Bourdais etc) have all stated that whilst they understand the penalty (for political reasons ) they think it was too harsh. ALL the ex world champions interviewed (Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda etc) say it was a travesty of justice and several team principles have stated it was a bad decision (Pat Symonds said 'I feel very, very sorry for Lewis. I think he has been very hard done by'). Even Schumachers brother Ralf (isn't he a German?) said it was a bad decision and damaging for F1!
Also, the FIA how now stated to the drivers that in the event of a driver cutting a chicane and gaining a position, he not only has to give that place back but should also wait for another corner before he could attempt to retake it. This is the first time the FIA have EVER stated this and it comes 5 days after Spa.......nice retrospective rule making there
ALL the ex world champions interviewed (Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda etc) say it was a travesty of justice and several team principles have stated it was a bad decision
Don´t refer to Niki Lauda, he is also "involved" in that theme. His son races for Mercedes in the DTM and so Niki has his own "Mercedes-opinion"...
What a race, could not wish for better, if the penalty to Lewis last weekend was found debetable, I take my hat of to FIA and the stewards for making F1 so much more spectacular and exciting. He will win anyhow so is not a problem. Great race by him and a spectacular win by Vettel. Well done.
Loved it!!!!!!!!
Wolfgang.......Schumacher/Hill for the championship. You cant go slaggin off lewis for being a bad driver when you had the likes of schumacher doing what we did for years and getting away with it
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He will win anyhow so is not a problem. Great race by him and a spectacular win by Vettel. Well done.
Who is he? Felipe Massa, Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso??
If you wanted to say something about Hamilton above then please tell me why he was nearly passed by Mark Webber in the end of the race? ( who is racing a slow Red Bull...)
Thing is though that Hamilton had much more downforce than all others this was the reason why he was so good in the middle of the race where he also gots not much fuel in the car at that time.
So forget about it we will see who´s the money on after the last race.
i´m very delighted for Sebastian Vettel who showed today who is the next great champion after Michael Schumacher. And i promise that he is going to do so.
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