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  • mallster
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Jan 2010
    • 81
    • Country: Scotland

    #1

    Spark plugs?

    Just done an engine service on the ABY which spark plugs do you guy's recommend?
    the engine has a 270bhp MTM upgrade so just wondered if normal plugs would be ok??
    Cheers
  • s2_bo
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Oct 2005
    • 6067
    • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

    #2
    I and most others on here have always used Bosch F5DPOR.
    Dont buy them from audi though as they charge about £12 each! Euro carparts and GSF also stock them, so does TPS.
    91 S2 coupé - RIP
    98 S8 - Luxury barge

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    • AndyP
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Feb 2004
      • 6049
      • Country: England

      #3
      General concensus is that the Bosch F5DPOR plugs are the only ones to use, regardless of power level. Not cheap but they last well.

      Even with forum discount @ GSF they are nearly £10ea
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      1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
      1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
      1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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      • s2_bo
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Oct 2005
        • 6067
        • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

        #4
        To slow Andy!
        91 S2 coupé - RIP
        98 S8 - Luxury barge

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        • AndyP
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Feb 2004
          • 6049
          • Country: England

          #5
          Must learn to type with more than 1 finger
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          1991 Audi S2 3B - 2.5 Stroker engine
          1997 A6 2.5TDi quattro avant - C4
          1976 RD250E / 350LC cafe racer

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          • s2_bo
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Oct 2005
            • 6067
            • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

            #6
            Slightly cheaper from ECP
            91 S2 coupé - RIP
            98 S8 - Luxury barge

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            • mallster
              S2Forum Fanatic
              • Jan 2010
              • 81
              • Country: Scotland

              #7
              Thanks guys, there are ngk in it just now, which are for want of a better word crap
              i'll order them in the morning!
              p.s she is in the paint shop as we speak! ! ! woohoo

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              • 4wheeldrifting
                S2Forum Fanatic
                • Nov 2008
                • 65
                • Country: Wales

                #8
                Originally posted by mallster
                p.s she is in the paint shop as we speak! ! ! woohoo
                Mallster:
                How much did you respray cost? is it a full resray including everything stripped out?



                Chris
                2.3 10v Quattro project so far: Bought for £400, lowering springs.

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                • mallster
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                  • Jan 2010
                  • 81
                  • Country: Scotland

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 4wheeldrifting
                  Mallster:
                  How much did you respray cost? is it a full resray including everything stripped out?



                  Chris
                  Getting engine bay,both sides and bonnet done, the painter is a friend plus i have been helping him with it, i supplied everything for the job i.e paint etc, suppose if it was a retail job i'd suspect there would'nt be much chance out of £800 mate.

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                  • rexr
                    S2Forum Buff
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 36
                    • Country: Norway

                    #10
                    034 motorsport recomended this spark plug for my RS2

                    http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=13905

                    Works great

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                    • Knight Rider S4
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 3541
                      • Country: Scotland

                      #11
                      Cheap price for 034 ones!!
                      93 S2 Avant Parting
                      91 URQ RR
                      02 A4 tdi Avant

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                      • mallster
                        S2Forum Fanatic
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 81
                        • Country: Scotland

                        #12
                        They sure are

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                        • JP
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 1858
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          F5DPOR's are the ones to go for for sub 400hp. Anything over that and the plug needs to be cooler. As for prices between GSF and main stealer.

                          I fitted a set of GSF ones came onto boost a couple of times and threw them in the bin as the central part of the spark plug ended up spinning freely whilst holding the metal body. They replaced them FOC as you could see they where new and again failed within a day. Fitted a set from Audi and they lasted a couple of weeks before suffering the same failure. At which point I decided the plug needed to be cooler for 400hp+ Traditionally 1 heatrange colder per 75-100hp over stock is the formulae. I ignored it as I went by recommendation of other people that where running 550-600hp on F5DPOR's.

                          Obviously every engine is different so I decided to go a heatrange colder and chose NGK BKR8-EIX reduced the gap to 0.6mm (factory on the F5DPOR's) and been using them witout any failures for a while now. Only difference I notice is the engine needs to crank a little while longer to start because they are a colder plug.

                          As for using triple electrode copper plugs definatelly not a fan of using them on a forced induction engine as the electrodes wear away at the slightest sign of detonation resulting in eventual missfire. However it does make them good for mapping as you'll wear away the electrode before doing permanent damage to your engine.
                          UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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                          • dubmeister
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 522
                            • Country: Wales

                            #14
                            Exactly right, higher power colder plugs.

                            Back in the days when everything was powered by cossie engines, where i worked we built some 500hp motors and spent weeks evaluating different plugs to try and find the best for particular engines/specs and purpose they were used eg drag/rallying/circuit use.

                            and anyone who tells you plugs don't make a difference is FOS!! when the right plug was finally found it could make up to 20 extra reliable hp.
                            remember fitting a set from f0*d motorsport which were in excess of £60 a plug and that was 10 yrs ago.

                            If the engine is modified it is often the case of sucking it and seeing, as very rarely two engines are identical in every way, so why use the same plugs.
                            It's not a cheap way to find the best but thats why tuners charge- youre paying for the knowledge and experience when they do the hard work for you.

                            Try and find the plug spec for your particular conversion as any tuner worth his salt will have found the optimum plug for their conversion. If it is the standard spec then all the better but it may not be.
                            If its a home brew then the fun starts!!

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                            • GazzaG60
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 4133
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              ive tried

                              stock
                              bkr7e
                              denso ik24

                              bkr7e work well for cheap plug. 10 quid a set. they are the 16vt plug of choice.
                              denso are a little cold for everyday. on boost the were good off boost they stumbled.
                              stock plug by far the best at most things. good for high and low boost.

                              everyday car id go for stock. standard everyday id opt for the bkr7e and see how it goes. i run them upto 1.4 bar fine. after that i changed them but in reality it was coil dwell that needed a tweak.

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