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  • dm80
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Apr 2005
    • 812
    • Country: Scotland

    #16
    Here's an interesting article I found - which further tries to debunk the myth that oil/gas will run out. Were we not told that by the end of the 70's oil would run out? It suggests that oil/gas, or rather the control of it is all about power. The planet will *never* run out..






    High Prices and Energy Crisis in Australia - a Con Job

    There is no shortage of Oil - Just a war to grab and monopolise the
    lucrative energy market.

    OIL PRICE PARITY

    The price we in Australia pay is set by the Organisation of Oil Exporters
    and Producers (OPEC). The Fraser government signed the Oil Price Parity
    Agreement in 1978.

    The Oil Price Parity is ONE SIDED. We are tied into a 25 year contract to
    sell our gas to China at 3 cents per litre. Who would sign an agreement to
    sell a commodity at three cents knowing that inflation will push that price
    to at least 30 cents a litre in 25 years? This deal was clearly white
    collar crime. Why doesn't OUR SELLING PRICE change each day on energy
    market as do the OPEC prices? The answer BRIBED POLITICIANS.

    We sell our oil under contract at $6 - $10 per barrel and buy OPEC oil at
    $60 per barrel (predicted to go to $100 IF WE FALL FOR IT and do not
    protest too much). Florida doesn't supply 1% of world oil - losing Florida
    oil would not change the world price-per-barrel by one cent.

    Bass Strait oil is produced at $3 per barrel. Yet we pay the OPEC price of
    $60 and soon to be $100 IF WE FALL FOR IT. Then the government adds 38.1%
    excise and 10% GST (on-top) and in some states there is a 10% state tax. In
    all, the government-take of your $1.30 at-the-pump price is about 60 cents.

    AUSTRALIAN CRUDE

    We export 523,000 barrels a day and import 530,000 barrels a day - a net
    import of 7,000 barrels a day - about what we need to import in heavy Arab
    crude for lubrication oil and greases. What is the ratio of lube oil to
    petrol per week in your car? Not one drop of imported crude oil goes to the
    petrol pumps around Australia - SO how can OPEC prices affect the price of
    our oil at the pump? It is a fair bet that the 523,000 we import that is
    offset by exports doesn't even leave the country except on paper. We
    consume xxx so imports make up xxx percent.

    Australian crude is already distillate as it comes out of the ground. It
    needs no refining. Like many crude oils it can be put, from the ground,
    straight into any diesel engine. The filter must be changed more often
    because there is some sediment. This is how the oil poppet pumps operate in
    desert areas. Oil, in the desert, is cheaper than water. Water won't
    provide its own energy to pump more water.

    ENERGY NOT AN EXHAUSTABLE RESOURCE

    It is unlimited and renewable. Oil/Coal/Gas doesn't come from decayed
    vegetable matter. It is driven off the magma (molten core of the earth).
    It comes up as gas, is trapped, condenses, and by a chemical/bacterial
    process changes to oil and eventually to coal.

    The bacterial change is an observable process. At Laverton (Vic), in the
    RAAF, we had a Fuel Section dedicated to solving the problems of the
    bacterial growth (Contamination/Fuel Filter Blockage) in aircraft fuel
    tanks and ground storage tanks. We grew the various contaminants in glass
    tanks. Huge grotesque black shapes grew in those tanks (as they did in
    aircraft tanks). They did no harm in glass tanks but, when they broke up by
    vibration in an aircraft they stopped fuel flow through the lines so the
    PILOT AND CREW HAD TO WALK HOME. This bacterium is what turns oil to coal.

    GAS IS UNLIMITED

    The reserves are so huge and so pressurised they are considered
    un-tappable. There is no secret where the huge reserves are and there is no
    need to search for oil. With modern technology the sub-stratas are known,
    mapped, and vetted. There are no unknown reserves.

    OIL EXPLORATION "EXPLOITATION"

    The oil barons drill to test quality, using speculators money, find the
    hydrocarbons they knew were there, declare the finds uneconomical, cap the
    wells, and sit back as the share values plummet to zilch, and then they buy
    them up. The oil barons never relinquished one oil lease that they declared
    unviable because they knew they could go there any time and get the oil we
    paid to find.

    Nearly all fields are being topped up from below. The top-up process is
    known as Abiotic Oil from geopressurised gas. Many fields considered
    "exhausted" have come to life again. The Yates field in Texas is a prime
    example. Such fields stop flowing when the source of inflowing oil from
    below becomes blocked as a paper filter becomes clogged and impregnable.
    Nature finds another path and the oil field can be tapped again.

    Russia is a now a big oil producer because they understand the process and
    drill at depths better than 30,000 feet (9,000 metres)

    Australia consumes 653,000 barrels a day (b/d), exports 523,000 b/d and
    imports 530,000 b/d

    WORLD GAS

    At the Brae B, in the North Sea, they went too deep on one of the first
    production wells and hit a reservoir of geopressured gas. The pressure was
    so great it started lifting fifteen thousand feet of drill pipe, drill mud,
    and a drill stem nearly three miles long. There is so much methane in the
    earth that they wanted to AVOID hitting this deep reservoir. At that time
    it was considered just too dangerous to exploit. That has now changed
    thanks to the Russian technology.

    In Australia the North Rankin "A" platform was developed to exploit the
    Carnarvon basin which is just off the northwest coast of Australia near
    Karratha. When North Rankin was built it was the biggest gas platform in
    the world. For twenty years now it has been producing at the rate of 180
    million c.f. of gas p/day., and 47,000 tons of condensate per day. It
    shows absolutely no sign of slowing down.

    This single platform provides all the natural gas fuel for the entire west
    coast of Australia. In addition, every year, this one platform produces
    between 7 and 8 million tons of Liquefied Natural Gas. The LNG provides
    most of the gas energy requirements for Japan (at 3 cents/litre). Then
    there are several million tons of condensate and LPG and so forth which are
    shipped into international markets.

    It is estimated that there is more oil and gas in Alaska and offshore of
    Alaska than in all of Saudi Arabia. Similarly, there is more oil and gas
    in Alberta, Canada than in Saudi Arabia. Similar reservoirs exist off the
    California coast, the Florida coast, Mexico, the South China Sea and the
    Great Rift Valley in the horn of Africa. Why do you think we sent the army
    into Somalia? It wasn't the media scam "Nation Building" - JUST OIL

    The Falklands Islands (Malvinas), sits on one of the largest concentrations
    of hydrocarbon fuels in the world. Do you really think the Brits killed
    all of those men in the Falklands war for God, the Queen and a bunch of
    sheep farmers? Even more significant, do you think the Argentineans risked
    going to war with the United Kingdom because they wanted the Falkland
    Islands---a patch of barren real estate that is only suitable for sheep
    farming? - JUST OIL.

    The world is fighting over oil, not because we are running out of oil, but
    because there is so much of it. It is not the shortage of oil that drives
    nations to war, but the overwhelming desire to control it. Oil is power.
    That is one of the main reasons for Gulf War I and Gulf War II. But, the
    real reason has to do with Globalism and the agenda of the New World Order
    (World Financiers Inc.)

    The US has enough fuel reserves to last for an estimated 3500 years and any
    world shortages are not due to lack of reserves. It is the aim for total
    control so they can maintain the price squeeze. They still invade Vietnam,
    Afghanistan, Iraq, soon Iran, and then Venezuela. Australia didn't need to
    be invaded. USA simply said, "We do not recognise Australia or New
    Zealand's claim to Antarctica". Go to www.CIA/antarctica and call up
    Antarctica. Check for yourself. They just took it. So far they have
    prospected and found silver, lead, zinc, copper, gold, uranium, platinum,
    oil, shale, gas and coal - all for the protection of the delicate flora and
    fauna.

    WHY WOULD USA INVADE VENEZEULA?



    MÉRIDA, VENEZUELA - The State Oil Company of Venezuela, PDVSA, confirmed
    today the discovery of four billion square feet of natural gas in western
    Venezuela, believed in June to have only been 2 billion square feet. It
    also confirmed that it possesses the largest single reserve of oil in the
    world. In addition to the estimated 78 billion barrels of conventional oil
    reserves, there are 235 billion more barrels of heavy and extra-heavy
    crude, known as Orimulsion, in the Rio Orinoco region. This means that
    Venezuela possesses under her soil nearly fifty percent of the total amount
    of oil in the entire Middle East. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi,
    Iran and Qatar have a combined total of 676 billion barrels while
    Venezuela's total alone is 313 billion barrels.

    Australia should be competitive. The cost of bringing a barrel of oil out
    of Bass Strait is actually under $3. & all other Australian oil fields are
    well under $10. The excise tax is currently 38.1 cents per litre on which
    we have an illegal tax on tax the GST of 10%. State Labor governments with
    exception of Queensland impose up to ten cents per litre fuel tax.

    The Australian working men, farmers, retirees and others on fixed incomes
    are suffering as fuel prices impact on us due to the tyranny of distance in
    Australia. Our manufacturers are disadvantaged trying to compete with
    places like Indonesia where local petrol prices are from 11 - 14 cents per
    litre. Our trade balance is a disaster. Each month puts us further behind
    while Howard's tax drunk heroes push their government take through the
    roof. It matters little how much they take in tax - they are soon back for
    more.

    EVERY PROBLEM HAS A SOLUTION

    First we withdraw from the fraudulent and one sided Oil Price Parity
    Agreement.

    Secondly we legislate that no elected government can commit this nation to
    contracts beyond the term of that government and no firms can make
    contracts into the future beyond three years.

    We then offer an amnesty to all for three months. The deal is any firm or
    employee thereof who is or was aware of the capping of valuable hydrocarbon
    deposits shall be indemnified from prosecution if he/she turns State
    Evidence.

    All politicians will be required to declare any assets or monies held
    overseas. All property not declared will be forfeited where possible or
    such value deducted from local assets if not.

    Any person whose evidence leads to a conviction of a firm or directors
    should be rewarded with up to 50% of the guilty parties' assets or of the
    money recovered.

    All leases, where there has been no provable drilling within the last five
    years, will be given warning that, unless there is active drilling the
    leases will be terminated within two years. If any firm tries to use shonky
    lawyers to overturn our decision to evict the charlatans who pretend to be
    oil companies, then we will simply impose a tax to drive them into
    insolvency or out. If Howard can get away with a retrospective legislation
    and tax then so can we.

    We set an absolute limit on fuel tax - that tax is not to exceed 50% of
    production costs with effect immediately and to be phased out to equate to
    any blanket sales tax within two years.

    All oil companies with no drilling rigs will be listed on the stock
    exchange as gambling institutions.

    We require that all foreign firms and government agencies lodge, with the
    federal and state governments, copies of all data they have taken on
    Australia's and Antarctica's energy, mineral, rural, maritime, flora, fauna
    and water resources.

    If competition is good and is forced on Australia then it is good for the
    Multinationals - so - of all oil leases 50% will be subject to exploitation
    by local firms as part of our National Competition Policy.

    The falsification of data and financial records is done with intent to
    defraud. It is a crime. Jail penalties, punitive fines and confiscation of
    assets must be introduced to discourage blatant theft of Australia's
    wealth.

    All assets of offending companies will be frozen. Sixty six percent of
    these assets will be disbursed to the shareholders duped by the concealing
    of the true value of hydrocarbon deposits found at their expense. The
    remaining 33% will be retained by government so voters will have access to
    decisions and accounts vital to the national interest.

    The USA will be called to the World Court to either repudiate her claim to
    Australian and New Zealand territory in the Antarctic or justify the
    legality of that claim.

    CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND SUGGESTIONS TO IMPROVE THIS WELCOME

    It is still rough but still, send it out so others can comment and wake the
    sheeple.

    A. R. (Tony) Pitt, 79 Ferry St, Maryborough Qld 4650 - Phone 07 4122 1412

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    • Fat Audi 80
      Super Moderator
      • Jan 2004
      • 10547
      • Country: England

      #17
      Going back to the Guardian Article, that Monbiot is a complete and utter tool. You really do have to read his **** to believe it...

      It may be convenient to believe the CO2 de bunking but there is a body of evidence on Pistonheads that tells exactly the same story as the recent CH4 show. (look for posts by Turbobloke on the forums there if you are intersted...)

      Cheers,

      Steve.
      The Perfectionist
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      • Corey
        Banned
        • Sep 2003
        • 2793
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        Global warming has nothing to do with the ******* big yellow thing in the sky then???

        In the 70's it was "we are not producing enough CO2" now it's "we are producing too much"

        Did anyone see the recent news program where they are trying to encourage the motorist to drive more conservativly by not slowing down and then speeding up, why the **** did the build all the ******* speed bumps for then???

        Politicians, don't you just love em.

        Anyone see Anne Widdecome on GMTV this morning? shame she wasn't so outspoken when she was doing the job she was on about this morning.
        Corey
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        • europeanme
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Oct 2005
          • 3817
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          It looks like they are going to try the same thing over here....but adding $4K!!! (+tax!....)
          about 2 grand!!!....so 400 quid sounds better!!....

          sorry these computers don't have a pound symbol.....

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          • s2driveruk
            Super Moderator
            • Jul 2003
            • 12696
            • Country: England

            #20
            its all a f***ing swizz, if we were really interested in doing something we'd get industry to turn all the bllody lights out on umanned buildings at night or at least turn most off, then we'd decide to to be so close to the US and A until they show some commitment to control their energy consumption, talk to the likes of China and some of the reast of the world about the cr*p they chcuk out of chimneys and pump into waterways. However the government would have u believe that we can control everything from here by switching a lightbulb and filling commercial radio ad breaks with patronising guff about changing up a gear quicker to use less revs and therefore save the planet.........I tell you the planet would be a damn sight cooler if Tony and his chums kept their gobs shut and focussed on delivering something in a meaningful timescale. I'd love to work in a place where i could get away with commitments to change something by such a tiny amount in such a vasty huge timescale

            If there wasn't climate change, we'd still be connected to mainland by bloody ice there have been plenty of reports about the fact that the polar caps could melt may be the first step towards the next ice age, not next week, or even in 25 years, these things take centurys to happen.

            Rant over, i'll sign off my solar powered, wind topped up, composted, water butted, unleaded, low wattage internet connection and get another beer
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            • dan_b
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              • Sep 2003
              • 3670
              • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

              #21
              Originally posted by Robatron
              I dont think its always restricted to just big 4x4's.

              I seem to remember Dan_b having a spot of bother with richmond counsil for owning a 'gas guzzling 4x4' even though its a 3.0 A4 Avant...
              Yes - my 3.0V6 falls into band G and was registered after 2001, as do an awful lot of other fairly modest "family estates" and other larger exec-style saloons. Therefore, now, regardless of whether I drive my car or not I will shortly be paying:
              £300/ year to park my car
              £400/ year to tax my car
              £500/ year to insure my car

              So as the net cost of ownership is now so high that the cost of the number of miles I drive is fairly small compared to the overall cost: therefore I'll probably be better off if I do drive it more now rather than taking the train to work etc (which of course for me is an extra £960/ year!)! Oh except Red Ken will want shortly to charge me £25/ day to enter the Congestion Charge Zone, which would be £6000/ year for the working 48 weeks.



              The sick thing is is this is actually making me think about selling the V6 already, which is of course exactly what they want people to do. I realise I would probably lose a lot through depreciation, and of course the car will now be harder to sell on because of the above. I suppose I should have gone for the 1.8T (although I didn't like it), or the 2.5TDi in the first place, but of all the models I saw and test drove, it was only the V6 that had the Xenons, the sports suspension, sports leather seats, Bose sound system and the 6 speed box...

              Or I might as well by a blooming Lexus Hybrid.

              The madness of this is of course obvious to all of us. It's just we're now all labelled as planet-murdering psychos for wanting to drive a nice car.
              Ex S2 owner, now running around in an A4 Avant quattro...

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              • amanda
                Account Disabled
                • Nov 2006
                • 524
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                Try having 2 classic's 20 odd yrs old and a v6 as well. All are 2nd band...........aghhhhhhhh

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                • Jay
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 599

                  #23
                  lol

                  Originally posted by Rustyrump
                  "just as important in my mind, the whole issue of fast depleting stocks of fossil fuels that are available to the western world. Our natural gas is drying up and we are now a nett importer. Our Oil wont be far behind, leaving the country at the mercy of those states that do still have supplies (ie middle eastern countries and Russia). Politically, being reliant for our fuel supply on countries that we have not historically been 'best mates' with (to say the least) will leave us rather open and exposed. Just look at the Russians doubling the gas supply price to Georgia some months back then turning off the pipeline when the Georgians couldn't/wouldn''t cough up. Unless we fancy treatment like that then we need to think about where our fuel is going to come from in the future and how much we can waste now. Fossils fuels will not actually run out, they will just become too damn expensive to burn"
                  I had a meeting with the CEO of a first level pretrochem's company and this was discussed, North see oil fields were said to have 20 years worth of oil and gas and that was in 1954 now 53 years later he see's 40 years of stable supply out of what we HAVE or increased production if we comission new wells!! BUT it doesnt sute them to shout about it as they like high and increasing oil prices:mischeif:

                  He also said the amounts of tapped and untapped and unfound oil reservers are massive... way more than the general public will ever be told I am privy to this through my work!!

                  The program was what we in the oil industry have known all along< Maggie you just have to love her... if she wanted rid of you she had many ways to do it and you have to admit its one hell of a lie, by by Mr Kinock and the hole coal industry

                  Its no bad thing tho it allows the goverment to tax us with our blessing and should meen we should be less reliant on the OPEC-Arad states and all the problems that brings.

                  Dont get me started on the organic farse or recycling

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                  • Briggsy
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                    • Jul 2005
                    • 267
                    • Country: England

                    #24
                    dont get me started on this debate..............im afraid all (or at least most) of the "joe public" will never know the truth about climate change or energy supplies, its just one of the many things they can use in their favour either way!!"!
                    1995 B4 Audi 80 S2 avant 267bhp and 326lbft *sold*

                    2001 P38 Range Rover DHSE 159bhp and 255lbft

                    1985 Type85 Audi 90 quattro 135bhp 140lbft

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