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  • slacky
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Aug 2005
    • 577
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Non starting AAN


    Ok being trying to get to the the bottom of this without success so far ...

    Wouldn't start one day when typically being used by the mrs with her mother in the car
    Borrowing 20vcqdriver's plugins to diagnose the problem , initial response was speed sensor (G28) & crank sensor (G4)
    Replaced both
    Stuck on vcds again, came up with what I was suspecting camshaft hall sensor (G40)
    Replaced this , still no good .
    We believe there's fuel coming through (checked at fuel filter junction) so I'm assuming the fuel pump is operating??

    Any thoughts or assistance would be greatly received as I'm missing playing in the 6

    Many thanks Chris
    Last edited by slacky; 28 October 2016, 09:19.
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  • shaun5
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Mar 2007
    • 1610
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    How much research have you done? When i couldn't start the S4 i had (bought as a non runner) i found there were lots of things to check but can't remember now.

    Pretty sure there are fuses next to the ECU (Passengers footwell) to check. I made up a LED test lead for the cam sensor to check it was receiving a signal. I ended up giving it some sniffing salts to make it start and then for some reason it decided to run!!!!

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    • spink
      S2Forum Freak
      • Jul 2003
      • 4382
      • Country: England

      #3
      Take the cover off the fuel pump Relay and close the contacts with your fingers,the pump should be audible when engine off,now try start it

      Those codes could have been old codes from being disconnected at some point I suppose ?

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      • slacky
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Aug 2005
        • 577
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        Originally posted by shaun5
        How much research have you done? When i couldn't start the S4 i had (bought as a non runner) i found there were lots of things to check but can't remember now.

        Pretty sure there are fuses next to the ECU (Passengers footwell) to check. I made up a LED test lead for the cam sensor to check it was receiving a signal.


        ( )
        I ended up giving it some sniffing salts to make it start and then for some reason it decided to run!!!!
        Sorry my bad , I forgot to say we checked those fuses prior to replacing the above parts ....
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        • slacky
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          • Aug 2005
          • 577
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by spink
          Take the cover off the fuel pump Relay and close the contacts with your fingers,the pump should be audible when engine off,now try start it

          Those codes could have been old codes from being disconnected at some point I suppose ?
          Thanks spink I'll try that tonight
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          • Error404
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            • Mar 2007
            • 19789
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Here you go Chris:

            Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
            Indigo ABY coupé
            Imola B6 S4 Avant

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            • slacky
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Aug 2005
              • 577
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Originally posted by Error404
              Thanks Alex ,
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              • UrS4boy
                S2Forum Obsessed
                • Feb 2006
                • 11859
                • Country: Canada

                #8
                Potential solutions to why your AAN (or ABY or ADU) -powered UrS (S2/R isn't starting

                Originally posted by Error404
                Also:

                The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                Which is Item 4 in the latest version of my Monthly reminder list:

                RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                • slacky
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 577
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Originally posted by UrS4boy
                  Also:

                  The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums


                  Which is Item 4 in the latest version of my Monthly reminder list:

                  http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthr...ight=potential
                  Thank you Dave

                  gotta lot to look through now ,thanks to everyone for their input today much appreciated
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                  • Taavi
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                    • Jan 2006
                    • 41
                    • Country: Estonia

                    #10
                    Check the timing first. It is always a must if there is G40 error.

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                    • slacky
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 577
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Wave form checks -
                      G28 good sign wave
                      G40 perfect square wave pulse
                      G4 nothing
                      Checked supply to plug no volts on any with ignition on
                      Checked & pin is present on flywheel

                      Is this looking like an ECU fault?
                      No voltage from Pin 47 with ignition on .....?
                      Last edited by slacky; 10 November 2016, 09:07.
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                      • slacky
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                        • Aug 2005
                        • 577
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Would anyone be willing to test my ECU if I post it to them ?
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                        • twoqu
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 3103

                          #13
                          Might it be worth physically swopping the crank/speed sensors over to rule out a dead sensor. I know they are relatively new so should be easily able to be swopped. If you then get the crank signal but not the speed that would confirm a dead sensor.

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                          • slacky
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 577
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Originally posted by twoqu
                            Might it be worth physically swopping the crank/speed sensors over to rule out a dead sensor. I know they are relatively new so should be easily able to be swopped. If you then get the crank signal but not the speed that would confirm a dead sensor.
                            good call worth a try
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                            • twoqu
                              S2Forum Possessed
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 3103

                              #15
                              I don't think either of these sensor have any power. They produce a signal if you see what I mean.
                              They appear to be earthed via pin 19 which is one of the inlet manifold earths. So I would have a look at that closely, although you would have expected both to have been effected by an earth problem!

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