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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #1

    Gauging Interest for easier diagnostics

    This isnt really a formal group purchase as such, but its an idea that might be of some interest to a broad number of folk looking to making at easy as possible to pull fault codes, reset the ECU, log data and such like. The 'group' aspect is that depending on numbers interested defines the size of order of some raw components that I need.

    There is another aspect to this idea which will make it easier for me to real-time map an S2/RS2 - this is because the on-board diagnostic (OBD) plugs are not only in the engine bay, but only accessible when the fusebox cover is off and all the fiddling around to get good connections from there inside the car.

    Seeing as I am inside the ECU, I figured its best to fabricate a slim/sneaky cable that exits the ECU on a connector that can easily and cheaply be adapted into something that can pull blink codes without a laptop or allow folk to plug VAGCOM/VCDS into from the comfort of the cabin.

    Its not a complex job of course - and anyone who can look up the ECU pinout, the ISO-OBD pinout, is not afraid to drill a hole in their ECU and make some nice soldered cables could also do it.

    There are essentially three parts to this overall idea - its one of my modular things...

    Pt 1 - Internal ECU surgery to install the S2Central.net OBD plug adapter. This will present a cable that plugs into Pt2 or Pt3. I will do this bit for free with anyone I do custom real-time mapping. Cost otherwise is £25 plus return postage of ECU (currently approx £9 within the UK for insured, tracked, next-day delivery)

    Pt 2 - Extends the Pt1 cable into a simple module that has buttons, LEDs and such to create a very simple blink code and output-test diagnostic interface... Handy for the glovebox I would say - even if you have already wired up a 'MIL' into your cluster to see if the ECU has raised any faults. This unit will let you see what the faults are. It will also verify that your ECU is getting 12V, that the internal holding relay is alive - very handy for those 'is my alarm/immo disabling my ECU' moments. Price on that is expected to be in £25 territory by the time it has heatshrunk joints, a sturdy box and the time required to drill it, fit and solder various bits. Plus simple instructions and a list of what the fault codes mean. Again - not rocket science... its more time than anything else.

    Pt 3 - Extends the Pt1 cable into a normal 16-pin ISO cable that you can plug your favourite ISO serial or USB adapter into within the car to get your PC diagnostic software up and running with the minimum of fuss... No 2 x 2 cables or trying to run cables down from the fusebox through all that mess of spaghetti. I should be able to do this for £10 - depending on numbers.

    Pt 3.X - This bit is an unoffical addition to Pt3 that offers a great USB cable and software for plug and play diagnostics on your S2/RS2 or whatever else from Audi & Co - very recent software <cough>. This will include a cable plus CD - price on that is influenced by numbers involved due to shipping charges if ordering them 1 at a time. Expect that to be in £40-50 range at the moment.


    Please vote on your interest at this stage just so I can gauge where best to spend the effort on sourcing parts at a good price. I may end up just taking a punt on making 10-off each and seeing how they go... Photos of prototypes and such will be posted here in due course.

    Edited to clarify that the Part 2 module will NOT be able to reset fault codes - that can only be done by unplugging the ECU or the 'MOTOR' fuses for a few seconds.
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    Paul Nugent
    Webmaster http://S2central.net
    Administrator http://S2forum.com

    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

    Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

    There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't
  • willg54
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2009
    • 2055
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    This "very recent software"...what functionality could we expect from it?

    Looks a good idea, i'd be very interested in getting a diagnostic point inside the car!
    1996 Audi S2 - 295bhp and 326lb/ft - Complete Rebuild Project

    1994 Audi 80 - 2.0 8v (slow but reliable!)

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    • Error404
      Super Moderator
      • Mar 2007
      • 19789
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Didn't Jase11n add an OBD2 port to his coupe?

      I was planning on some loom surgery to add one when do my engine swap, but TBH if i could send my ECU and pay £25 and it came back with an OBD adapter hanging out the side, I'd be happy to pay it
      Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
      Indigo ABY coupé
      Imola B6 S4 Avant

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        Jason did - and others probably did too... but it requires folk to know exactly where to connect, and how to connect reliably - most folk hate wiring with a passion. I am offering this idea up as a way to simplify things for little expense.

        The software I speak of has the functions of ehhhhh ten and sixty something !!!

        Please read carefully - The Part 1 package does NOT include the 16-pin plug... I'll be going something smaller and circular so its easy added into the glovebox - or extended to wherever. Then you plug in the Part 2 module to access blink codes or the Part 3 cable so you can plug your own ISO-OBD cable... I will provide the pinout on Part 1 for those folk that want to do their own thing after I have broken out the OBD pins from the ECU onto that external plug.
        Paul Nugent
        Webmaster http://S2central.net
        Administrator http://S2forum.com

        1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
        2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
        2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

        Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

        There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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        • Sonic
          Administrator
          • Jul 2006
          • 5514
          • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

          #5
          Sounds awesome Paul, i can't wait to see it in action
          S2Forum.com Administrator

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          • Ross
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Aug 2005
            • 3399
            • Country: England

            #6
            I already have some home-made box with LEDs for blink-code receiving, Angus had it and gave it to me with the car. Some easier to use diagnostic software that allows me to plug my laptop into a dangly wire hidden in the footwell sounds great... I'm sure there will be a USB connection point added to a spare dash button as well soon
            AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994

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            • Bowlerwell
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Sep 2005
              • 1052
              • Country: Scotland

              #7
              'Very recent software' does sound interesting...
              It'd be great to have an OBD socket in the car.
              What I'd really like is an android app that communicates by bluetooth to a bluetooth dongle that sits in the OBD connection. Does that exist?
              John Bowlerwell
              Electronic Engineer

              Present:
              Nogaro Blue RS2 - TOE
              Previous:
              Kingfisher Blue S2 - UAA
              Volcano Black RS2 LHD - DEX

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              • quattro
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Dec 2004
                • 768
                • Home: Wales Current: England

                #8
                I assume the ISO is for the obdII vag-com user? if so im in.
                Probably the longet S2 project in history EVER!

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                • S2central.net
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 16590
                  • Country: Northern Ireland

                  #9
                  Yes - The ISO port will let you hook that up.
                  Paul Nugent
                  Webmaster http://S2central.net
                  Administrator http://S2forum.com

                  1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                  2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                  2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                  Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                  There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                  • S2central.net
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 16590
                    • Country: Northern Ireland

                    #10
                    I just knocked this prototype up from spare bits I had lying around with some small boxes that *just* about fits the switch and some LEDs for the Part 2 adapter.

                    The USB cable is just to give a sense of scale. I will have ~1m of cable from this module to the ECU adapter plug.

                    The LEDs will be different colours for obvious reasons and my logic is as follows - like red, amber, green traffic lights from top down.

                    red ---> blink code output
                    yellow ---> 12V active on ECU output
                    green ---> 5V active on ECU output

                    All three will light up when you turn on ignition.

                    Red goes off when the engine starts & runs until a fault code is stored... Red is used in conjunction with button to count out blink codes - no PC required.

                    Yellow ON verifies the ECU is getting 12V at switched, unswitched inputs and that holding relay is working.

                    Green ON verifies that the 5V supply that goes to TPS, CMP etc is good.


                    On shutdown, the yellow LED will stay lit until after the holding relay is deactivated following MAF burnoff. Then all LEDs will be off.

                    PS - I knocked this up very quickly without a measured template just to get the concept across... Production items will be more accurately drilled though may use a cheaper and smaller button than the chunky/sexy one pictured here.
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                    Paul Nugent
                    Webmaster http://S2central.net
                    Administrator http://S2forum.com

                    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                    Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                    There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                    • Ducky
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • May 2006
                      • 636
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Bowlerwell
                      'Very recent software' does sound interesting...
                      It'd be great to have an OBD socket in the car.
                      What I'd really like is an android app that communicates by bluetooth to a bluetooth dongle that sits in the OBD connection. Does that exist?
                      Yes there is the software is called 'Torque', I use it on my van's OBD socket. However you do need to buy a bluetooth OBD dongle plug off Ebay to use with it.

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                      • bikerjim
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 1028
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bowlerwell
                        'Very recent software' does sound interesting...
                        It'd be great to have an OBD socket in the car.
                        What I'd really like is an android app that communicates by bluetooth to a bluetooth dongle that sits in the OBD connection. Does that exist?
                        Android app sounds good but depending on what your doing WiFi is better as it has faster communication with the phone.

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                        • Jas11n
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 5067
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          Android Torque app does NOT work on an S2.
                          BTDT (works great on my RS4 though)
                          2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
                          2004 A4 Avant 1.8T quattro Sport-LE.
                          1995 S2 Coupe - sold (sniff)

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                          • Dan
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 1242
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Shame that Torque app isn't FOSS. Might have been able to hack it to work.
                            1993 ABY Coupe | BMW R1200 GS
                            A6 3.0 TDI Quattro (aka Sonic's 'ring support/cargo vehicle )

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #15
                              I am seeing stong interest on the USB side of the house. Can I have a firm shout of names please if I was to take a punt on 10 such USB-OBD cables along with the correct software supplied on CD ?

                              For a firm batch of ten I can do the Part3.X for £49 shipped within UK.

                              I'll start the list of with spink who has expressed firm interest via PM:

                              01 - spink
                              02 -
                              03 -
                              04 -
                              05 -
                              06 -
                              07 -
                              08 -
                              09 -
                              10 -

                              Those wishing to bundle the Part 1 ECU wiring with Part 3 OBD adapter for internal USB diagnostics will get some discount... How does £75 all in sound for that ?

                              Not seeing much interest in the glovebox blink module so I will hold fire on ordering up lots of parts right now. Priority interest is on USB comms.
                              Paul Nugent
                              Webmaster http://S2central.net
                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

                              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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