UPDATE:
2 LISTS RUNNING NOW:
86.4mm Stroke & 95.5mm Stroke
Hi Everyone,
Putting this back out there. As Mahle Motorsport Powerpak leading distributor for the Volkswagen / Audi lineup I am going to try and revive this as we are in need of 2 sets of Pistons (one for my personal project) and I will not go the JE route.
Mahle’s charges around $1400 USD for a set of Custom Pistons + options so to be blunt , if we could save money doing a production run then I am perfectly happy with that.
These will be made from Mahle’s proprietary 142 alloy which is a blend between 2618 and 4032 (exact ratio undisclosed).
Mahle 142 alloy is what is used in the high end present motors such as the Audi TTRS 2.5 TFSI and RS5 etc. All pistons will come with Mahle’s Grafal coating (the grey coating you see on side skirts etc).
PRICING IS AS FOLLOWS:
CUSTOM RUN = $1450 USD including rings & locks. This will be custom made to your specs.
PRODUCTION RUN = $850 USD/ set + shipping which is over $600 USD in savings.
Stipulations:
• MOQ of 40 pieces – 8 sets of 5 cylinder pistons.
• Mahle 142 Alloy forging will be used ( a blend between 2618 & 4032 alloy)
• Lead time 4-6 weeks (Could be longer , could be shorter as it depends on when they will be cutting another group from that forging).
• Mahle proprietary Grafal coating applied as standard (no need to farm out for coated skirts and crowns like the JE’s)
• Only the Bore size can be changed
• Minimum Bore size from Forging is 82mm (so all of those with 79.5mm will need to go to 82mm)
• Maximum Bore size from Forging is 84.5mm
• Compression Height can not be changed
• Compression ratio i.e. Dish CC can not be changed so it is fixed
• Wrist Pin size can not be changed
• Fixed cut out for intake valve diameter – I would probably go with +2mm oversized on the cut outs for those running Ferrea/Supertech larger diameter valves
The MOQ for Mahle is 40 pieces or 8 sets. They come with following:
- Wrist pin / Gudgeon pin
- Wrist pin / Gudgeon pin locks
- Piston Rings
- Installation instruction
These are the associated dimensions:
2.0 16V 9A/KR Engine:
Bore = 82.5mm
Stroke = 92.8mm
Deck Height = 220mm
Connecting Rod Length = 144mm
Compression Height = 29.6mm
2.0 16V ABF Engine:
Bore = 82.5mm
Stroke = 92.8mm
Deck Height = 236mm
Connecting Rod Length = 159mm
Compression Height = 30.6mm
2.2 20V Turbo – 3B/AAN/ADU
Bore = 81.0mm
Stroke = 86.4mm
Deck Height = 220mm
Connecting Rod Length = 144mm
Compression Height = 32.8mm
2.5 20V Turbo Hybrid – Using 2.5 TDI + 2.2 20V Cylinder Head
Bore = 82.Xmm
Stroke = 95.5mm
Deck Height = 236mm (machined from 236.45mm)
Connecting Rod Length = 160mm
Compression Height = 28.25mm
Based on the above and the fact that we have access to the following connecting rods from DM Forged:
- 144mm Centre to Centre w/ 20mm wrist pin
- 147.2mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
- 154mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
- 159mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
- 160mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
And the following multilayer head gaskets
- AAN x 82.5mm
- AAN x 83mm bore
With 1.6mm compressed thickness respectively
These will be the specs for my set (sample):
• Bore = 83mm
• Stroke = 86.4mm
• Block = 7A/AAN/ADU/3B @ 220mm Deck height
• Connecting Rod length = 144mm
• Compression Height = 220 – [(86.4/2) + 144] = 32.8mm
• Piston Dish CC = 10cc
• Wrist pin = 20mm
An Elring AAN 20V Turbo head gasket has a max bore of 82.2mm and a thickness when fully compressed of 1.6mm = 8.49cc
A Stock 7A cylinder head with flat Ferrea/Supertech Standard Size valves has a volume of 44cc in the valve pocket area.
Assuming a -10cc dish we get the following:
Vc = 8cc + 44cc + 8.49cc = 60.49
86.4mm STROKE:
79.5mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2144.4cc : Vh = 2144.4 / 5 = 428.88 cc / cylinder
81.0mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2226.1cc : Vh = 445.20 cc / cylinder
81.5mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2253.7cc : Vh = 450.74 cc / cylinder
82.0mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2281.4cc : Vh = 456.28 cc / cylinder
82.5mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2309.3cc : Vh = 461.86 cc / cylinder
83.0mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2337.4cc : Vh = 467.44 cc / cylinder
Mahle has just informed us that the Mahle142 forging is no longer available in anything under 82mm due to the features needed for the rings.
That means 82mm bore is now the minimum bore allowed:
Compression Ratio is as follows:
82mm Bore:
E (compression ratio) = (Vh + Vc) / Vc
= 456.28 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 8.54 : 1 CR
82.5mm Bore:
= 461.86 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 8.64 : 1 CR
83.0mm Bore:
= 467.44 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 8.73 : 1 CR
95.5mm STROKE:
82.0mm bore x 95.5mm stroke = 2521.7cc : Vh = 504.34 cc / cylinder
82.5mm bore x 95.5mm stroke = 2552.5cc : Vh = 510.50 cc / cylinder
83.0mm bore x 95.5mm stroke = 2583.6cc : Vh = 516.72 cc / cylinder
Compression Ratio is as follows:
82mm Bore:
E (compression ratio) = (Vh + Vc) / Vc
= 504.34 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 9.34 : 1 CR
82.5mm Bore:
= 510.50 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 9.45 : 1 CR
83.0mm Bore:
= 516.72 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 9.54 : 1 CR
Based on the above we will be doing a run of 2 sets - 80 pieces in total.
86.4mm STROKE:
Bore : 81mm -> 83mm
Stroke = 86.4mm
Compression Height = 32.8mm
Wrist pin size = 20mm
95.5mm STROKE:
Bore : 81mm -> 83mm
Stroke = 95.5mm
Compression Height = 28.25mm
Wrist pin size = 21mm
86.4mm Stroke List:
95.5mm Stroke List:
2 LISTS RUNNING NOW:
86.4mm Stroke & 95.5mm Stroke
Hi Everyone,
Putting this back out there. As Mahle Motorsport Powerpak leading distributor for the Volkswagen / Audi lineup I am going to try and revive this as we are in need of 2 sets of Pistons (one for my personal project) and I will not go the JE route.
Mahle’s charges around $1400 USD for a set of Custom Pistons + options so to be blunt , if we could save money doing a production run then I am perfectly happy with that.
These will be made from Mahle’s proprietary 142 alloy which is a blend between 2618 and 4032 (exact ratio undisclosed).
Mahle 142 alloy is what is used in the high end present motors such as the Audi TTRS 2.5 TFSI and RS5 etc. All pistons will come with Mahle’s Grafal coating (the grey coating you see on side skirts etc).
PRICING IS AS FOLLOWS:
CUSTOM RUN = $1450 USD including rings & locks. This will be custom made to your specs.
PRODUCTION RUN = $850 USD/ set + shipping which is over $600 USD in savings.
Stipulations:
• MOQ of 40 pieces – 8 sets of 5 cylinder pistons.
• Mahle 142 Alloy forging will be used ( a blend between 2618 & 4032 alloy)
• Lead time 4-6 weeks (Could be longer , could be shorter as it depends on when they will be cutting another group from that forging).
• Mahle proprietary Grafal coating applied as standard (no need to farm out for coated skirts and crowns like the JE’s)
• Only the Bore size can be changed
• Minimum Bore size from Forging is 82mm (so all of those with 79.5mm will need to go to 82mm)
• Maximum Bore size from Forging is 84.5mm
• Compression Height can not be changed
• Compression ratio i.e. Dish CC can not be changed so it is fixed
• Wrist Pin size can not be changed
• Fixed cut out for intake valve diameter – I would probably go with +2mm oversized on the cut outs for those running Ferrea/Supertech larger diameter valves
The MOQ for Mahle is 40 pieces or 8 sets. They come with following:
- Wrist pin / Gudgeon pin
- Wrist pin / Gudgeon pin locks
- Piston Rings
- Installation instruction
These are the associated dimensions:
2.0 16V 9A/KR Engine:
Bore = 82.5mm
Stroke = 92.8mm
Deck Height = 220mm
Connecting Rod Length = 144mm
Compression Height = 29.6mm
2.0 16V ABF Engine:
Bore = 82.5mm
Stroke = 92.8mm
Deck Height = 236mm
Connecting Rod Length = 159mm
Compression Height = 30.6mm
2.2 20V Turbo – 3B/AAN/ADU
Bore = 81.0mm
Stroke = 86.4mm
Deck Height = 220mm
Connecting Rod Length = 144mm
Compression Height = 32.8mm
2.5 20V Turbo Hybrid – Using 2.5 TDI + 2.2 20V Cylinder Head
Bore = 82.Xmm
Stroke = 95.5mm
Deck Height = 236mm (machined from 236.45mm)
Connecting Rod Length = 160mm
Compression Height = 28.25mm
Based on the above and the fact that we have access to the following connecting rods from DM Forged:
- 144mm Centre to Centre w/ 20mm wrist pin
- 147.2mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
- 154mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
- 159mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
- 160mm Centre to Centre w/ 21mm wrist pin
And the following multilayer head gaskets
- AAN x 82.5mm
- AAN x 83mm bore
With 1.6mm compressed thickness respectively
These will be the specs for my set (sample):
• Bore = 83mm
• Stroke = 86.4mm
• Block = 7A/AAN/ADU/3B @ 220mm Deck height
• Connecting Rod length = 144mm
• Compression Height = 220 – [(86.4/2) + 144] = 32.8mm
• Piston Dish CC = 10cc
• Wrist pin = 20mm
An Elring AAN 20V Turbo head gasket has a max bore of 82.2mm and a thickness when fully compressed of 1.6mm = 8.49cc
A Stock 7A cylinder head with flat Ferrea/Supertech Standard Size valves has a volume of 44cc in the valve pocket area.
Assuming a -10cc dish we get the following:
Vc = 8cc + 44cc + 8.49cc = 60.49
86.4mm STROKE:
79.5mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2144.4cc : Vh = 2144.4 / 5 = 428.88 cc / cylinder
81.0mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2226.1cc : Vh = 445.20 cc / cylinder
81.5mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2253.7cc : Vh = 450.74 cc / cylinder
82.0mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2281.4cc : Vh = 456.28 cc / cylinder
82.5mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2309.3cc : Vh = 461.86 cc / cylinder
83.0mm bore x 86.4mm stroke = 2337.4cc : Vh = 467.44 cc / cylinder
Mahle has just informed us that the Mahle142 forging is no longer available in anything under 82mm due to the features needed for the rings.
That means 82mm bore is now the minimum bore allowed:
Compression Ratio is as follows:
82mm Bore:
E (compression ratio) = (Vh + Vc) / Vc
= 456.28 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 8.54 : 1 CR
82.5mm Bore:
= 461.86 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 8.64 : 1 CR
83.0mm Bore:
= 467.44 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 8.73 : 1 CR
95.5mm STROKE:
82.0mm bore x 95.5mm stroke = 2521.7cc : Vh = 504.34 cc / cylinder
82.5mm bore x 95.5mm stroke = 2552.5cc : Vh = 510.50 cc / cylinder
83.0mm bore x 95.5mm stroke = 2583.6cc : Vh = 516.72 cc / cylinder
Compression Ratio is as follows:
82mm Bore:
E (compression ratio) = (Vh + Vc) / Vc
= 504.34 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 9.34 : 1 CR
82.5mm Bore:
= 510.50 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 9.45 : 1 CR
83.0mm Bore:
= 516.72 + 60.49 / 60.49
= 9.54 : 1 CR
Based on the above we will be doing a run of 2 sets - 80 pieces in total.
86.4mm STROKE:
Bore : 81mm -> 83mm
Stroke = 86.4mm
Compression Height = 32.8mm
Wrist pin size = 20mm
95.5mm STROKE:
Bore : 81mm -> 83mm
Stroke = 95.5mm
Compression Height = 28.25mm
Wrist pin size = 21mm
86.4mm Stroke List:
- Rallyequattro – 1 set x 82mm bore
- V6quattro - 1 set x 82mm bore
- Wizard-of-OD – 1 set x 83mm bore
- Lars Bjornstad – 1 set x 83mm bore
- MuK1989 - 1 set x 82mm bore
95.5mm Stroke List:
- Wizard-of-OD – 1 set x 82.5mm bore
- Jared Hersh – 1 set x 82.0mm bore
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