S4 169KW - 270KW Engine Conversion

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  • Papefish
    S2Forum Tinkerer
    • Jan 2005
    • 2

    #1

    S4 169KW - 270KW Engine Conversion

    Hi!

    We have a type S4 Audi Quattro AAN Motorcar and need info on the conversion of a 169 KW Engine to a 270 KW Engine

    (ie Lehmann or other)

    Peter
  • Mihnea
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
    • 1288
    • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

    #2
    Hi,

    Where are you located? 370HP isn't a big deal to do on an AAN engine, provided you can swap parts and have a good intercooler...

    HTH,

    Mihnea
    '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

    www.MRCTuning.com
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    • gavs20v
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Sep 2004
      • 3057
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      What sort of spec would you be looking at to get an AAN upto this spec? What sort of intercooler would you suggest on a uk spec s4 with air-con? similar to the Dahlback one they fitted to their black s6?
      Cheers for the info, trying to plan exactly what ill need before i put mine off the road after the summer.
      Thanks for your time
      Gav
      S2 Cabriolet.........

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      • Mihnea
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Jul 2003
        • 1288
        • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

        #4
        To get an AAN to about 370HP, you need a large front-mounted intercooler (Dahlback's was actually MTM's and now belongs to a friend of mine), RS2 or K26/27 hybrid turbo, RS2 exhaust manifold, large injectors, custom ECU mapping, 3" exhaust from the turbo back, with separate wastegate pipe, a sport cat or no cat at all, samco intake hoses so you don't go to the dealer's every 6 months, a well insulated cone induction kit and different spec cams...

        With this setup, reasonable and reliable 370HP/550+Nm are feasible....

        HTH,

        Mihnea
        '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

        www.MRCTuning.com
        info@MRCTuning.com
        Workshop Directions

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        • Audi_CQ
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Mar 2004
          • 940
          • Country: Norway

          #5
          Originally posted by gavs20v
          What sort of spec would you be looking at to get an AAN upto this spec? What sort of intercooler would you suggest on a uk spec s4 with air-con? similar to the Dahlback one they fitted to their black s6?
          Cheers for the info, trying to plan exactly what ill need before i put mine off the road after the summer.
          Thanks for your time
          Gav
          Not sure if S4 and S6 have the same amount of room behind bumper, but this is a couple of pictures of a front mounted IC on a S6.

          Pic1:
          Attached Files

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          • Audi_CQ
            S2Forum Maniac
            • Mar 2004
            • 940
            • Country: Norway

            #6
            Pic 2:
            Attached Files

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            • URS4DK
              S2Forum Tinkerer
              • Apr 2004
              • 2

              #7
              Hi -
              That IC looks good, but is'nt it possible to do something smaller?? I mean in front of my AAN there is both the cooler for the engine, and the climate?
              I have just about done all of the above conversions (except the green injectors), but with the stock IC, because off the missing space...... I think a have about 330 BHP/NM 500...

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              • Audi_CQ
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Mar 2004
                • 940
                • Country: Norway

                #8
                Originally posted by URS4DK
                Hi -
                ..is'nt it possible to do something smaller?? I mean in front of my AAN there is both the cooler for the engine, and the climate?
                So does the car in the pictures Climate and radiator is moved back as much as possible.

                Cheers,
                Roger

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                • URS4DK
                  S2Forum Tinkerer
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 2

                  #9
                  Sorry - so it is!
                  I'm impressed - it looks VERY good! Nice!

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                  • Mihnea
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1288
                    • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by URS4DK
                    Hi -
                    That IC looks good, but is'nt it possible to do something smaller?? I mean in front of my AAN there is both the cooler for the engine, and the climate?
                    I have just about done all of the above conversions (except the green injectors), but with the stock IC, because off the missing space...... I think a have about 330 BHP/NM 500...
                    Strange, I've already done an S4 with RS2 stuff and dynoed 352HP/570Nm at the crank... on the stock IC...

                    Mihnea
                    '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

                    www.MRCTuning.com
                    info@MRCTuning.com
                    Workshop Directions

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                    • karlblues2
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 402
                      • Home: England Current: Australia

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mihnea
                      To get an AAN to about 370HP, you need a large front-mounted intercooler (Dahlback's was actually MTM's and now belongs to a friend of mine), RS2 or K26/27 hybrid turbo, RS2 exhaust manifold, large injectors, custom ECU mapping, 3" exhaust from the turbo back, with separate wastegate pipe, a sport cat or no cat at all, samco intake hoses so you don't go to the dealer's every 6 months, a well insulated cone induction kit and different spec cams...

                      With this setup, reasonable and reliable 370HP/550+Nm are feasible....

                      HTH,

                      Mihnea
                      Hi guys
                      Where does the separate wastegate pipe terminate Is this essential I'm about to get my 3" downpipe made this week to fit the new parts on so if this is essential (and legal) I guess I would love some more info please
                      Cheers
                      Karl
                      Oz
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                      • Doug_RS2
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 3847
                        • Home: Scotland Current: England

                        #12
                        mine and Toms sticks out the bottom of the car - not ideal - look at the burns it makes on a RR

                        Probably best to get it out the side of the car - behind the front wheel.
                        S2,RS2,S4 WB,RS4,S4 B8,RS6 C5,RS6 C6,R8

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                        • Mark Halligan
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 2001
                          • Country: England

                          #13
                          Originally posted by karlblues2
                          Hi guys
                          Where does the separate wastegate pipe terminate Is this essential I'm about to get my 3" downpipe made this week to fit the new parts on so if this is essential (and legal) I guess I would love some more info please
                          Cheers
                          Karl
                          Oz
                          Karl,

                          depends on what you want, you can have it just pointing at the ground under the car by the gearbox (although you could I suppose melt something down there), or out of the side of the car as shown in the picture (this is how I originally had mine back in 2003), although its now just pointing at the ground.
                          Or I suppose you could have it travel all the way to the back and exit next to the main systems pipe (I have seen Dahlback do this on a RS2).

                          The supposed advantage is that when nailing the motor and the wastegate opens to divert some exhaust away from the turbine to control boost levels, the diverted exhaust gas does not have to rejoin the system as it does in the stock configuration, and there is no turbulence or added back pressure introduced at the point of entry in the downpipe.

                          Not sure how legal one of these would be in Oz, but if it is you might want to stick a small silencer on a seperate WG pipe, while its great for scaring the ***** out of old ladies and animals, it does draw attention to the car at a time when you don't want it, i.e. speeding :mischeif: .

                          Funny thing I have noticed is that of the three I have heard, mine, Dougs and Toms, they all sound slightly different.....maybe something to do with different exhaust manifolds?

                          Going back to advantages, I think that having say a 1.5" seperate WG pipe on say a 3" system basically gives you an extra 1.5" on your system when you need it when working the motor and creating max back pressure in the system. When the WG opens its almost like having a 4.5" system with all its benefit of getting rid of back pressure, but only when you need it. Thats just my idea though and while it makes sense to me it might be wrong .

                          Mark.
                          Attached Files
                          Mark - Modded

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                          • Mark Halligan
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 2001
                            • Country: England

                            #14
                            By the way I forgot to add that you would be suprised how much gas flows through the WG when it opens, the WG pipes on both Tom and Dougs cars at the last RR session were glowing cherry red.
                            Mark - Modded

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #15
                              and the sound is amazing - I can testify to that...


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