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  • Bram
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Aug 2006
    • 2582
    • Country: Netherlands

    #421
    I will check that tonight. Thanks for the tips. To be sure I will also try my old Bosch spark plugs instead of the Denso's

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    • a4kquattro
      S2Forum Addict
      • Feb 2005
      • 411
      • Country: United States

      #422
      Originally posted by Bram
      I will check that tonight. Thanks for the tips. To be sure I will also try my old Bosch spark plugs instead of the Denso's

      email me a datalog when you get a chance, I'm happy to take a look for you.
      Marc Swanson
      Proprietor, EFI Express
      95.5 //S6 Avant
      90' Coupe Quattro V8 4.2L twin turbo
      93' //S4
      83' UrQ
      97' F250 7.3 diesel

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      • Bram
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Aug 2006
        • 2582
        • Country: Netherlands

        #423
        Originally posted by a4kquattro
        email me a datalog when you get a chance, I'm happy to take a look for you.
        Cheers, will do that

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        • Bram
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Aug 2006
          • 2582
          • Country: Netherlands

          #424
          It appeared the inlet cam sprocket had slipped with the engine being locked-up because of massive fuel flood and trying to start it. This caused the dizzy hall timing to go off, but I think I managed to get the hall timing working, as I have a spark at cyl 1 now. I tried to put the inlet cam sprocket timing back to where Jyrki set it when he was clocking the cams. Does that mean the hall window is OK now, or should I still try some fine-tuning to get the hall timing 100% right?
          The engine does not seem to start yet. The spark plug on cyl #1 gets wet of fuel when cranking, so I think I get fuel from the pump.

          The engine turns over normally when starting and I have the impression it tries to fire up, but just does not get going. Sometimes it is about to get started but dies with an incidental ignition feeling/sound.

          Questions that rise up for me are:

          - What is the easiest way to check if the 034MS HO coil packs are still OK?
          - What is the easiest way to check if the injectors are OK? Just switch them over from one cyl to another one?
          - Switching spark plugs to other cylinders did not make a difference. Can I visually see if a spark plug has had it's best time? They are approx 2000 KM old.......young I should say. Maybe the fuel flood has decreased it life time?

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          • Bram
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Aug 2006
            • 2582
            • Country: Netherlands

            #425
            Originally posted by repo
            Does VEMS read the MAP signal ok?

            Map sensors do not take fuel, so if even a drop reached the diaphragm, it's dead.
            I get the MAP value in Megatune at around 104 kpa, so I think the MAP sensor is still intact.

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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #426
              Are you using new plugs? soaked plugs normally require a good scrubbing but even then they may not recover.

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              • Bram
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Aug 2006
                • 2582
                • Country: Netherlands

                #427
                No, I am using the same plugs Denso plugs that were in the engine when it got full of petrol. They are quite black. I will check that again tonight. I still have the original Bosch plugs as well, but they are also quite black from the previous setup.

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                • Bram
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 2582
                  • Country: Netherlands

                  #428
                  OK, I put in the old Bosch plugs and the car start again. Pfew, step 1 completed.

                  Now I am back at the problem where the car idles fine, but at 1600 RPM the revves drop to 700 RPM. THe engine itself is capable of getting back at 1000 RPM idle though.

                  Any ideas what might cause this behaviour using VEMS?
                  Or could it be a dizzy/hall window fine-tuning issue?

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                  • A80Avant
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 10873
                    • Country: Greece

                    #429
                    i had that similar problem back in greece with the 7A flywheel and the sensor on the flywheel. I remember you telling me that somehow you had a different solution for reading rpm on yours. But my problem occured at the same rpm. Different behaviour, such as mine stayed on 1500 then registered 15000rpm!!! then back 1400-1500 on a continous cycle.

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                    • Bram
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 2582
                      • Country: Netherlands

                      #430
                      If the lambda sensor is affected by fuel, could that also play a role in this kind of behaviour?

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                      • A80Avant
                        S2Forum Obsessed
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 10873
                        • Country: Greece

                        #431
                        does the lamda read anything after 20sec?

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                        • Bram
                          S2Forum Fiend
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 2582
                          • Country: Netherlands

                          #432
                          Originally posted by A80Avant
                          i had that similar problem back in greece with the 7A flywheel and the sensor on the flywheel. I remember you telling me that somehow you had a different solution for reading rpm on yours. But my problem occured at the same rpm. Different behaviour, such as mine stayed on 1500 then registered 15000rpm!!! then back 1400-1500 on a continous cycle.
                          If I hear this then the trigger timing could be the issue. Could mean I need to fiddle a bit more with the dizzy hall window

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                          • Bram
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2582
                            • Country: Netherlands

                            #433
                            Originally posted by A80Avant
                            does the lamda read anything after 20sec?
                            Yes, it does

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                            • A80Avant
                              S2Forum Obsessed
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 10873
                              • Country: Greece

                              #434
                              hmm, i dont really know, but if you try some other lamda, you will notice if there is a difference. Otherwise my bet would be the hall.

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                              • madpugger
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 1901
                                • Country: Scotland

                                #435
                                Bram, I hope you get this sorted soon as I need to pick your brains Selfish I know!

                                You said you had fuel in the IC? did this get to the MAF? I wander if the MAF is not working now and that is your issue.

                                From reading your thread, I think VEMS works in the same way as the motronic for spark, it uses the hall sensor on the cam to start on Cyl 1. So if this is the case I doubt your timing being out on your cam would have this effect. Yes it may cause loss in performance, but I don't think it will give you this issue because it only uses the sensor to find TDC and thus start the engine on cyl one, after that it uses just the two sensors on the flywheel for spark (unless on WOT above 4K rpm in motronic where the hall is used again).

                                Just a couple of thoughts.

                                Le Mans 2012
                                Nurburgring 700
                                1995 S2 Avant

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