ok.Ring or text.I will be at home all week
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Post the map upComment
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lolComment
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What?
Being serious though have a couple of 1.1.27 aby maps including my own which I can compareComment
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lmao
id have a guess at req_fuel and cold/hot crankpw to kick off.Comment
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once i upgrade to 1.1.81 ill post all my maps up. If fed up with the mysticopathy of vems and how some tuners like to create a big secret about it.
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there always will be that vas.
its potentially a tuners bread and butter.
also some users spend money with the tuner and dont want to share the investment. fair doo's
i see my time as the investment and those who want to share it can if i wish. you always get the stigma though vas of the pro map. many make the decision not presumption that a pro has to be better at the task.
ill leave you all to make up your minds on those statments but will summarise that vems is like megasquirt a sharing community by design but not necessarily by nature.
ill give you a call spions tomorrow.Comment
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The problem with VEMS is the is F A documentation of how to do things properly and it's only through Peter I've managed to get any answersComment
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everyone had to start somewhere, and i had to as well. It is not hard though and people who are afraid to do it on their own, will always seek expert advice and not just rely on the documentation. By posting several maps and configurations people will be able to manage better their tune even after an expert's touch and that is because the tuners do not spend the same amount of time playing around with intricate issues because the main thing is power and how to get there.So if the car runs like crap when the aircon is on or the idle is all over the place and stays at 1200rpm or cannot pass emissions, its not their concern. It runs fast and goes, and that is the bottom line.
I dont like the fact that in this forum this started to happen to hole different league just because some people decided to pay for a map and didnt take the chance.So new vems users seaking advice are routed to do the same, although as Gary says this is designed to be used openly.It has been exploited by those who wish to make something extra and i dont condemn that, i only have to say, that tuners will always be needed and their share is not at stake by the publicity of several maps or configs. Engines are different anyway, but those who want to take it as a hobby and take their chances as well, have something to work on, rather than having AGAIN to rely on tuners.
I chose to use vems for various reasons one being that whenever you need a tuner he is not there, esp after he has done the map and gone.Just doesnt happen.Before the map, you get an extremely high volume of emails in order to get the customer though. We are blessed in this forum from very few(at least) who work with us, rather than look at us as owners of money eating machines.(our cars that is).
i have to say though, i come up with minor adjustments everynow and then and i may need to make a thread that gets updates! Im even worse than vemstune firmware versions! im at msq 49 already and going to 50 today! hahaComment
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No disrespect but you dont know what your talking about in respect to pro tuners, the tuner who did my car got more out of a 2871r setup and vems than you did with a 3071r and a self tune.
If you want to take a chance on an expensive build then no-one is stopping you, if however you have custom cam and a custom engine setup and have the means to have the car setup with a true base tune by said tuner that is my choice.
There are plenty of maps around that are shared and plenty of answers given free to forum members infact ask Gazza if I have helped him out or not.
Buying tuning time is no different to have a custom chip, if that said chip is then copied and shared without permission...........Comment
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He got more out of the 2871 but on different setups.... and the one much closer to the edge than the other; but that is not the point. I am with Vas here. We have lost the will to share and still pointing out at pros in lot of subjects and not only VEMS.
If someone paid for a timing map (because thats where the thing is) then share the rest of your file with a blanc ignition map. But when i think of it when you pay so much for a custom map then you buy the right to use it how you want.... :-)
one way or another if i get it to work well on 1.1.81 then i will also share the complete map.
till then i can share the Map that worked well on my car for a long time with big turbo and other injectors.
@Spions
see the attached 1.1.27 map.Go Holset or Go RS4Comment
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Did you see me do any comparisons between pro tuners or hobbists like myself? You sound similar to what George Carlin was referring to the 'Bigger **** US foreign policy' when talking about the war in Iraq. youtube it and you will know what i mean.
Surely if you pay you get a much better map, but my experience shows that a large portion of tuners, no matter how good they are at what they do, once their job is done, they are nowhere to be found.No aftermarket sales service(and im talking about tuners not ecu vendors). That has been noted by others as well and not only in this forum or this country.At the end of the day, if i can get close to the number of hp that the turbo is capable of, then im happy. A pro tuner would have done it in a few hours, i did it in a few weeks and enjoyed it. Sometimes it is not a matter of who makes more power, but being able to know how things work and be more autonomous.
Besides, you said it yourself, your engine is so different than other strokers, let alone normal I5s that sharing your config would in NO WAY whatsoever endanger repo's knowledge, or ability.It is more likely that it is unusable to its large extent. On the other hand, areas that repo may not have been involved, and more or less peter has, such as accel enrichments, or other features of vems, hell even the upgrade sequence are things that you shouldnt feel the need to keep secret. But you do, and so does peter when it comes to sharing info on workings of VEMS. I see it is good advertisment as well, since more people will turn towards vems and people like peter and marc as well as repo for a map session. Not everyone wants to take their chance in tuning, and i dont think highly respected tuners like the prementioned will have trouble sleeping at night if they dont tune 2-3 more vems cars.
This is why i dont understand how this secrecy started in the first place, as if all of a sudden tuners will be out of the job. Bu&$*" Tuners will never be out of the job so long as there is the hobby of tuning alive. These methods tend to discourage that though. Which is why i wont play this hide and seak game anymore. Sharing information benefits everyone, even yourself! I hope you realise it soon and realise you are not obliged to hold info from anyone.Comment
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[QUOTE=A80Avant;Surely if you pay you get a much better map.[/QUOTE]
not the case vas. you pay for a short period of time. in my experience this is usualy, not enough to get a realyl good map.
what a pro has on his side is primarily its his job. its perception that he will be better. we have named 3 who are good. theres one jin the states who i dont know but have heard really good things of - lugnuts.
if i setup business as a tuner my reputation as able would be instantly boosted. why? because i take money.
be it cars, girls, beers some people share, some dont. thats life.
bill and ted told me in a dream "the love and care of the owner induces better results."
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"everyone has to learn sometime dudes"Comment
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i agree with that,but i must say that someone that does it for a living, has much more experience than me. He may have an engineering degree or be a mechanic on top of that.Surely, getting paid or not, by default they are more experienced than me. In my process of satisfying my hobby, i look for information, i dont want ready knowledge, just a wealth of information that might help me. I have done a bit of reading, bought a couple of books, read about PID sequences and how they work and it paid off. I have no $$$ interest and dont believe that the tuner's interests are at stake from me making configs public. What i dont like is when tuners, after they have done their job, to demand that their job remains a secret, as if they will suffer a loss of business. They wont because 1)engines and setups are different 2)people that would go to a tuner, will go anyway 3) hobbists are very few and likely wouldnt go to a tuner anyway.
that is why i see no point in secrecy.Comment
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spions - the map that was posted there by billman is for adu so if you dont have rs2 injectors and regulator you need to make changes to it.
req_fuel is the basis of vems fueling. its measured in ms and is the amount of time an injector is open to achieve afr of 14.7:1 so a stock aby squirter maybe about 8ms where an rs2 one maybe about 6. ive not done the math
the map in general should have the characteristics of the rs2 turbo so ve and spark should be on the correct path at least.
your fuel pump is the next thing. the differences between aby and 044 are massive. if you have an ageing pump then fuel trimming is the norm.Comment
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