knock, knock who's going to tune my s2 for me?

[Jonnybravo]

You don't leave things do you.

If I choose to you a AEM I welcome to do so.

Its a bit like nagging at people for using 3 grands worth of Motec ecu when one thats 1/3 price does the same, personal preference.

I don't map engines, I'll leave that to people who know what their doing, I'll monitor things though and thats why I use a AEM.

If I knew it was going to cause such offence to you I'll not bother replying in future

[prj]

I said that I use a AEM, I also said speak to Paul if he is going to map it. What you think and what he may want may be 2 different things.

I read the thread perfectly well 1st time round thanks.

I don't deny at all that the SLC would be a useful tuning tool and in this case would appear to be very useful.

Let's leave the SLC aside for a second. It requires soldering skills to put it together and just compare VEMS Round and AEM UEGO.

Vems Round/AEM UEGO
AFR display: yes/yes
Two row display: yes/no
Linear output: yes/yes
Logging: serial/serial
Logging cable included: yes/no
Logging software: yes/no
RPM pickup: yes/no
EGT: yes/no
Boost: yes/no
Boost controller: yes/no
Price: 240 EUR / 200 EUR (both with sensor)

So my question is, why would you buy the AEM UEGO?

And when tuning motronic, even if you had a datalogger, it would take time to wire it all up.
This is not about what I "think", I am merely presenting facts.

[Jonnybravo]

I said that I use a AEM, I also said speak to Paul if he is going to map it. What you think and what he may want may be 2 different things.

I read the thread perfectly well 1st time round thanks.

I don't deny at all that the SLC would be a useful tuning tool and in this case would appear to be very useful.

[prj]

Yes I did, it doesn't mean its not any use to people as you were saying.

I have no issues with the SLC, I just personally own a AEM as do many others I know, were all on aftermarket ecu's though with wideband input.

Yes James Motronics is the fall down there. Were all logging with the ECU but prj is trying to use this as the Motronics does not support tunning like this.

And exactly which part of this thread talks about aftermarket ECU's?
AEM UEGO is simply overpriced for what it does. Why would you get it, when you can get a VEMS round for basically the same price and display EGT/Boost as well?

Again, don't take things out of context. This thread talks about tuning the stock ECU, and advice is asked about which WBO2 to get to go with that. AEM UEGO does not fit the picture here.
That's why I advised you to read the thread the first time.

[terrybullwon]

Yes I did, it doesn't mean its not any use to people as you were saying.

I have no issues with the SLC, I just personally own a AEM as do many others I know, were all on aftermarket ecu's though with wideband input.

Yes James Motronics is the fall down there. Were all logging with the ECU but prj is trying to use this as the Motronics does not support tunning like this.

[Jonnybravo]

Yes I did, it doesn't mean its not any use to people as you were saying.

I have no issues with the SLC, I just personally own a AEM as do many others I know, were all on aftermarket ecu's though with wideband input.

[prj]

People seem to get on perfectly well using them over here.

Did you read at all what I wrote?
You need a separate datalogger with it to do any tuning.

Why bother, when SLC DIY or Afreshtiny do data logging as well, for less price than the AEM UEGO?

[Jonnybravo]

Btw Shane,
If you don't fancy putting stuff together, the VEMS Round is also a very good idea.
It's 2x the price though and has less features.

http://shop.vems.hu/catalog/roundwbo2egt-p-101.html

http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=AfreshTiny

Whatever you do, don't get the AEM if you are planning on using it for tuning.

People seem to get on perfectly well using them over here.

[prj]

Btw Shane,
If you don't fancy putting stuff together, the VEMS Round is also a very good idea.
It's 2x the price though and has less features.

http://shop.vems.hu/catalog/roundwbo2egt-p-101.html

http://www.vems.hu/wiki/index.php?page=AfreshTiny

Whatever you do, don't get the AEM if you are planning on using it for tuning.

[prj]

Well, it only shows boost up to 1.5 bar (and that is if you install the MAP sensor).
I did it differently. The display is used for AFR/EGT, and for logging boost I just spliced the wire going into the trip computer (blue-yellow) at the back of the instrument cluster and stuck it into one of it's analog inputs.

That way I don't see boost on a gauge, but I can log it or see it in real time on my notebook.
For looking at boost, it might be a good idea to get a separate gauge. This can be done discretely though.

I will take a picture of my setup.

[s2_wot]

take all your engine working PERFECT and then give him full boost

Will do Rocco, great advice

http://14point7.com/SLC-DIY.php[/url]

Will check that out too, I would prefer one display to show boost, EGT, AFR and maybe IAT or something at the same time rather than the inside of the car looking like it parked in the pimp my ride / jap scrap / starship enterprise garage for a few days.

Thanks for the help folks

[prj]

AEM wideband sucks.
Serial port, weird cable, no RPM/EGT/MAP input.
It's just a fancy gadget, which is totally useless for tuning.

I am using this:

http://14point7.com/SLC-DIY.php

[Rocco]

ah¡¡ and buy a wideband with gauge YES

i am using since 2 years ago a wideband from Innovatec motorsport...and all it is perfect¡

i am seeing 11.3AFR with 2.1 boost in 5th gear

[Rocco]

dont worry so much about the RS2 specs

take all your engine working PERFECT and then give him full boost

knock sensors should be new,the same as the ignition parts

good luck friend

[s2_wot]

Speak to Paul if he is mapping it, I am sure he can offer you the info you need.

You can spend a fortune on gauges to monitor things but a wideband and maybe a EGT probe gives enough info to keep things safe IMO.

That'd be the plan anyway, that's useful information re the EGT and AFR guage, zeitronix have a nice digital display that will display boost and IAT later if needed. There's also a vems setup on ebay uk at the moment I might place a bid on.

Hi Shane,
got 240bhp on Martin's Dyno! He thought a stronger wastegate spring might be giving higher than expected result? MFTS is knackered, I just left #4 terminal unplugged, so no more Autocheck beep on start up! Will get round to replacing it sometime soon. Temp gauge is fine and showing normal temps! Got the dreaded 53 code on the autocheck screen after re-fitting the clocks, but figured it out and sorted, left side knob was pushing against the button for setting max speed warning/autocheck sequence at rear of clocks!
John

I suspected the dyno is a little optimistic so thats probably spot on for a stock motor. My 7A made 174bhp which seemed a little too healthy for an engine thats clocked up over 300k, even with a rebuilt cyl head.

Interesting to know those figures for reference. Must ask Paul what sort of runway is needed for road mapping.